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This is what I believe. How are you, Dan? I've been missing you, and wondering how it's going with you. Hi Kat. I'm still in a state of cronic pain. But still breathing so still in the game. Thankyou for asking and remembering me. I hope you are well. At times, the Song of Solomon is the most encourageing book in the Bible. God Bless Dan

I believe that the Song of Solomon could be an alegory. Perhaps the deep love and itimacy between a husband and wife mirrors how it will be between God and his children in eternity. Only far more profound. I hope so. Perhaps God is wildly in love with us. Dan

to all of you thanks for the responses, i know of a few sites that offer support and vast amount of knowledge thru experience, most are not christian based and the ones that are aint real popular and 1 out of 10 posts might get 1 response, im thinkin worthy is a perfect place for a forum like this because its the best christian site i know of....the people here actually care about others and freely give of themselves, other places dont....dgolvach,,,,ive had so many different meds that dont work im runnin out of options and with most autoimmune diseases what works for one doesnt mean it will work for all...my rheumy is the best in the state when it comes to my diseases, and weve talked extensively on which meds wont work and which ones might work, the list of donts is ever increasing and the mights are gettin pretty slim.....i know george is a very busy man and i aint sure if i should bother him with this idea....that and i aint sure how to go about it.....oak I understand oaleaf. I was hospitalized 2 weeks ago from an allergic reaction to Imuran. Nearly died actually. I am down to trying to treat the pain. Keep me posted and feel free to PM me anytime. God Bless Dan

Hi Oakleaf.. I too have been suffering from autoimmune diseases for the past 7 years. Sjorgens, Lupus, vasculitis-neuropathy. I'm wondering if your rheumatologist has tried immune suppressants such as cytoxan or imuran? I did not respond well to these meds but many patients do well. Its a matter of calming down the T cells. God Bless your heart and give you relief. Dan

Save the spotted human! Dan

I believe God puts deep desires in us that can only be fufilled by him. It drives some of us to him through his grace. (Jesus) If we choose, we can live eternally with no chance of ever scratching this itch which is far greater than we know. Our souls are created to link to him and without him its hell. A place of no hope. I believe what will make heaven heaven is the fact that God gives himself to us. Its what all of us need to not be in this horrific vacuum of unfufillment and discontent. And I have a feeling that its as horrible as fire and brimstone if not far worse. All of the things we depend on come from God. Imagine an eternal place where he is not available. Of course the lost don't understand that the good things they depend on depend on God giving it to them. Allegory? I don't know for sure but the point is...DON'T GO! Dan

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A few here know that I have struggled with a painful auto-immune disease that has causes whats called small fiber neuropathy throughout my body. I have struggled with the pain for many years and conceeded to prescription pain meds back in 05. If any knows about opiate based meds they know that there is an inevitable tolorance issue. This means you will have to take more as time goes by. Not only to treat the cronic pain but to avoid the hellish withdrawls that follow when you stop. I was on two very powerful opiates called fentanyl and then subutex. This stuff his more powerful than herion. I went cold turky in july of 06 and went through two months of nothing less than a living breathing hell on earth. I swore off the things but then my disease advanced and so did the pain so here I am again. A defacto junky junking awat on lortab and vicoden. These are bad but my pain doc supplements this regiment with a drug called Lyrica that makes me feel basically like I'm stoned but it does marginalize the pain. Being doped up like this makes it hard to have as close as a relationship with the Lord as I would like but the pain of my disease is horrific. Sometimes I feel like God wants to see me try to follow him with both hands tied behind my back. I love him but I sometimes doubt that he can accept me in this state. It almost seems like I am abusing his grace. I know I wouldn't take this stuff if I were heathy. I don't know.......where am I???????? Dan

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All the replys reflect my sentiment. I actually had a minister tell me that I was too caught up in thinking God loved me personally. He said God really just loves his church in which you but a tiny speck. The more I read on this amd meditate, I am starting to ponder that perhaps each of us apart from, one another, have a void so huge that only ALL of God's love will fill it. I can see this in my own life because I'm a needy boy. God just must have this capacity. God Bless Dan

I believe neither, though, of course, it is easy to extrapolate from either to create either of your propositions. In my thoughts this is a straight forward basic to nature beautiful story of love between a man and a woman that can easily be understood by any man or woman who has ever been in love. It epitomises the essence of love, and in doing so wakes us who know the joys of real love to the emotions of the love our loving Heavenly Father has for his children. But I know that because of the sexual connotations in this story, many shy away from the facts, but I know of no reason for doing so. Love is so essential to the character of God that including a story like this one is almost an essential part of understanding how great the love of God is to us. Hi stan... I think I blew it by even listing the Song of Songs in the title of my thread because my question is really just the A or B and my title imlpies that my question is specific to this one particular book when it really isn't. Im trying to understand the difference between Gods love for the Church and Gods love for us as individuals. Any thoughts? Dan

I believe that as Christians mature in their faith they tend to walk the walk more but only those who never sin at all walk the walk 100%. Of course, if a Christian was that mature, they would not go around spouting "Hey everybody!!! Look at me! I'm all walk and no talk!" because that in itself is a sin because at best its self rightous and more than likely a flat out lie. Both are sins and are not walk. Just talk. Dan

I have been spend spending some time in Song of Songs as of late. I understand that it was a play that Solomon wrote but since its in the Bible, its obviously is more than just theater. I have heard various commentaries on this book. Some say that the "beloved represents Israel or the Church". Other suggest that the allegory is directed towards individuals. (We who are his children through Christ) I have my own thoughts on this but I would like to get other opinions. I don't want to get into the sexual aspects of this book because thats a whole different subject. To me, this book is revealing that God has a great passionate love for something. Other books of the Bible describe the church as the bride of Christ. So here goes. Which of these do you believe? A. God passionately loves all of his believers (church) in one big lump and values less one mere believer. This means that believers in heaven will perhaps meet God but it won't be one on one. It will be more like it is when a great leader appears to a huge crowd of his supporters. The relationship is between the leader and the crowd. B. God passionately loves his church but has the same passion for each of his children in an individual way. This means that while the great leader loves his crowd of supporters as a whole, he also has a on going individualized intimate relationship with each and every supporter thats differs from all of the others. Thanks Dan

I will say this, I feel blessed to be part of a church family where members hold both views but its never fought about. These people at this chruch stick to the mission which is to reach out to the community and show the love of Christ. They reached out to me and have made a huge difference in my walk with God even though I'm kinda OSAS and a slightly larger % of them aren't. It just hardly ever comes up because our goals are the same. I think as long as its not legalism or free sinasmuchasyouwantism(new word), no one feels the need to argue doctrine. The way the world is becoming, we who know the truth about Christ should respect one another as long as the basic tenets are not touched, We are a body and the lost world needs a body thats functional to pull them out of the pit the we were all once in. God Bless Dan

John McCain is a hero with honor. So is his son. So was his father. God Bless Him! Dan