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  1. Fair enough brother, and I know you see things much differently than RM does. That being said, dispensational premilliennialists, particularly those who are pre-trib, believe that the war from Ezekiel 37-39 occurs at the beginning of their 7 year period. Either right before their invisible event, or just after it, but this is the event they are looking for and you have probably seen referred to before in posts from them. So I guess they believe that right now the Russians, Turks, and Iranians are up there in Syria right now churning out swords, chariots, bow and arrows, siege weapons, and amassing a massive cavalry, because that is what Ezekiel describes literally.
  2. Ok, my mistake, but would you say the Gog-Magog invasion is at the start of the period of time you see, or the end?
  3. Of course, but a few well placed EMP's would not render automatic rifles useless would they? While it isn't something specifically stated in Zechariah, it most certainly becomes an issue in regards to the numerous other OT passages. For example, if I am not mistaken, you see Ezekiel 37-39 as something that occurs at the beginning of what you see as the 7 years, correct?
  4. Zechariah knows what a horse and rider is, that is why he said it. If Zechariah were recording something he did not know how to describe then he would have used figurative language like John did in Revelation. You want to claim the passage is literal and then conveniently remove the literal explanation of the objects within it, that is inconsistent. I understand it just fine, and nowhere in that passage does Zechariah say anything about end times, that is a conclusion you arrive at because you don't understand Daniel properly. Jesus was not crucified in 70 AD, and when He was crucified He wasn't invisible on that cross, people could see Him. What you are missing here is rather simple, salvation is available to the Jewish people right now, and has been all along. As far as the history of the church, perhaps you should study it and if you do you will find the event happened. Who do you think the early church was comprised of? Got it, you think John's father knew more about it than Jesus who spoke quite plainly about the fact John the Baptist was the Elijah to come. Isaiah 40 Comfort, comfort my people, says your God. 2 Speak tenderly to Jerusalem, and cry to her that her warfare is ended, that her iniquity is pardoned, that she has received from the Lord's hand double for all her sins. 3 A voice cries: “In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5 And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.” That's exactly what John did, just what he was supposed to do, prepare the way for the Lord.
  5. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything other than the year, but you would think some historian would have recorded it, so I've probably just forgotten it.
  6. That's not what the scripture you posted says, if you want to apply it literally then at least be consistent. Zechariah 12: 4 On that day, declares the Lord, I will strike every horse with panic, and its rider with madness. But for the sake of the house of Judah I will keep my eyes open, when I strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. Naturally, one of the disciples tells you it is fulfilled and you reject it. Of course, Jesus tells you John the Baptist is the Elijah who is to come but you know better.
  7. The problem here is that the statue of Zeus was torn down in December of 164 and the sanctuary cleansed, that isn't enough days to make this fit.
  8. I'm going to address your post for the benefit of others, since you have made it quite clear you find yourself infallible and anyone that disagrees just doesn't know prophecy as stated in your initial response to me. So let's just see. So what you have here is a 21st century or beyond event, in which the people of this day are going to abandon their modern weapons of war and revert back to riding on horses and using swords I guess, and this seems sensible to you? Strange, because having grown up around horses what I have found is most people today don't even know how to mount a horse, much less ride one. In regards to the stone that is being referred to above that cuts people to pieces, have you heard? Matthew 21:7 Finally he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and have his inheritance.’ 39 And they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 When therefore the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?” 41 They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons.” 42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: “‘The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; this was the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. 44 And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.” What do you suppose represents those other tenants that give Him fruit in due season? John 19:35 He who saw it has borne witness—his testimony is true, and he knows that he is telling the truth—that you also may believe. 36 For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” 37 And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.” Psalms 36:7 How precious is your steadfast love, O God! The children of mankind take refuge in the shadow of your wings. 8 They feast on the abundance of your house, and you give them drink from the river of your delights. 9 For with you is the fountain of life; in your light do we see light. Psalms 68:26 “Bless God in the great congregation, the Lord, O you who are of Israel's fountain!” Jeremiah 17:13 O Lord, the hope of Israel, all who forsake you shall be put to shame; those who turn away from you shall be written in the earth, for they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living water. And last and most importantly. John 4:13 Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” How many prophets have come forward in Jerusalem since the 1st century? Again, looking to the future for something that already happened. Matthew 11:7 As they went away, Jesus began to speak to the crowds concerning John: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind? 8 What then did you go out to see? A man dressed in soft clothing? Behold, those who wear soft clothing are in kings' houses. 9 What then did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 10 This is he of whom it is written, “‘Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way before you.’ 11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John, 14 and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
  9. Therein is the problem with the approach, they are accurate up to the middle of the chapter and then when historians run out of answers they inexplicably jump thousands of years into the future and leave out major chunks of history. If it is in fact history, then God would include all of the history. God is consistent that way.
  10. There really is nothing to get from it brother, it follows the same model as all the others. You get this comprehensive and detailed explanation up to the mid 30 verses and suddenly we jump two thousand years into the future for no apparent reason, at a time of no significance. This jump occurs roughly 165-170 years before Christ even comes to the earth, and ironically jumps right past the most significant time in history to thousands of years in the future. It just isn't sensible. If chapter 11 is indeed historical, then wouldn't it cover all the history of it? Where in RM's breakdown does it cover the rest of the story? Where is the war between Marc Antony and Augustus? Why does it not include all the events involving the history of the 4th kingdom if that is what it is about?
  11. Don't hold out on me charlie, I'm still interested in your take on 11 lol.
  12. I understand now. The star represents a thread you have posted in, ones with a dot means you have not posted in those threads. The order of the threads changes by activity, so when someone posts in a thread it moves to the top of the list.
  13. I don't recall saying anything about the millennium. I do think however if Daniel is not understood then it most likely leads to the wrong conclusions. For example, are you aware that the land sat there desolate until the late 19th century? When Mark Twain visited the land and wrote about how desolate it was, not even beasts to be found, it stirred up their hearts to return to their home land. What event led to this desolation?
  14. I appreciate you also brother, and agree that eschatology positions don't affect who we are in Christ. God bless
  15. In the lower right of any post made you should see a circle with a thumbs up in it, when you click on that it gives you choices regarding reactions. Not sure what you are referring to here, maybe you can clarify? Not sure what you mean here either, not sure what type of device you use for the site so it may differ from mine if you are not on a computer.
  16. I get the same thing, but there is a conflict with that as well. How do you reconcile a break in the middle of the week given what is said in chapter 12. Daniel 12: 11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days.
  17. This is where your entire theory falls apart, you don't understand Daniel's prophecy and still look to events that are fulfilled.
  18. wingnut-

    Sign?

    Yes, first you get total darkness, then you get the glory of His coming, as lightning lights up the sky, this is the sign.
  19. wingnut-

    Sign?

    Matthew 24:7 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Luke 17:24 For as the lightning flashes and lights up the sky from one side to the other, so will the Son of Man be in his day.
  20. The seven churches were actual churches that existed in the first century, all located in what is modern day Turkey. While there are certainly messages that can be applied to us still today, the letters were written and composed for them as you can see by specific information within them. Revelation 2:13 “‘I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is. Yet you hold fast my name, and you did not deny my faith even in the days of Antipas my faithful witness, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. Obviously no one today was alive in the days of Antipas, so when reading these letters you want to keep them in the context they were written.
  21. I agree brother, but I wonder then how you apply the historical view to chapter 11 in harmony with Daniel 9? I am still trying to figure that one out, there is something wrong there. Have you been following the daughter of women thread?
  22. Well I hate to break it to ya, but the shepherd won't be struck again. If Jesus tells you a prophecy is fulfilled, you should probably accept that, and if you did some study on the history of the early church you would know that it did in fact happen in the 1st century. But if your practice is to look for fulfilled prophecies, I guess you are also looking for a virgin birth. Good luck with that!
  23. I guess then what you are proving is that you bear false witness, then when confronted with scripture that refutes it, your pride doesn't allow you to admit to your error. Duly noted. As far as helping you understand scripture, I can't, after years of trying the only thing that will recover you from your many errors is God, ask Him.
  24. Of course that is not true, as the passage includes the gathering. The truth is simple, your claim was false, I just disproved what you said, and you cannot provide one single example in scripture that speaks of a gathering pre-trib. Post-trib is the only position that has such evidence, what people do with it is on them.
  25. Of course there is, quite a few actually, here are two very direct and clear ones. Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Mark 13:24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.
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