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  1. wingnut-

    stomach flu

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    Spirit of the Word

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  4. Actually it doesn't if you misunderstand what it means to be further clothed. When Jesus tells the disciples to remain in the city until they are further clothed from power on high, they listened. Years later they were all killed for their faith, which means they were not immortal when already clothed. Think about it.
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    For me

  6. The confusion in regards to soul sleep, is simply mistaking what it means to be clothed. For clarification, look to what Jesus said specifically in regards to being clothed, which clears up also what it means to be naked. Luke 24:44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.” To be clothed is to be filled with the Holy Spirit, which was the promise of the Father. Also, refer to Jesus' comments to Nicodemus regarding what is required to enter the kingdom of heaven, one must be born again of water and Spirit. John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. Ephesians 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. God bless
  7. From Romans 8, one of my favorite passages of scripture. One important distinction to be made in this passage, Paul is specifically addressing the elect, which begs the question, what are the qualifiers for being one of the elect?
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    Seeking god

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  9. I don't see anywhere in this thread where Butero claims he can save himself. If you want to point out the post in which he makes this claim, I will stand corrected. And in regards to whether or not you have endorsed people going out and sinning willfully, I haven't seen that either. Perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying.
  10. I agree with you of course, regarding God's foreknowledge. Since you acknowledge we are making decisions, I would take your answer to belief in free will as a yes. As for my second question, is there any scripture that implies or says that free will is taken away from an individual?
  11. Do you believe in free will? If so, is there any indication in scripture that it is taken away?
  12. I believe it is, if people can set emotion aside and simply discuss the relevant scripture. In my opinion, the best place to start is the matter of whether one can walk away from God or not. I think we all can agree that God will not walk away from us, and as support for this we simply look to what Jesus said on the subject, I will never leave you nor forsake you. So that begs the question, can a person walk away from Him? This is really the heart of the debate that needs to be addressed, scripturally. God bless
  13. There is a reason this debate has not changed for hundreds of years, and we are seeing it displayed in this thread just as we have in all the other threads on the subject. No one is going to get banned though, possibly removed from the thread, but fear not! Another one will arise from the ashes and we will start over again with the same result! The question is why the result will be the same, and the answer is not all that complicated. One side of the argument reverts to the accusation that if not OSAS, then the individual must be of the mindset they save themselves, nullifying the work of Christ. The other side, will revert to the accusation that if OSAS, then you promote willful sinning with unabashed shame. Of course in either case, there are never any statements made to support either claim, so round and round we go. Cheese is nice if you have some crackers to go with it, but a bag of popcorn also goes hand in hand with a good show. God bless