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  1. Mystery Babylon

    It will no longer be an unfaithful city, but I guess the understanding is lost on you. Take note of verse 23 since you bolded it, maybe it will shed some light on things for you. Revelation 21:23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, Since Jesus will be reigning there for the millennium, no lamp is necessary. And just in case you don't get this part, He does not reign from Rome. Yeah, as tricky as the earth being destroyed by water once before and people living on it afterward, who would have thought that was possible? I guess Paul was mistaken then when he wrote the day of the Lord is the day in which Jesus comes back and gathers people then? The idea is that I point you in the right direction, not post entire chapters. If you had bothered to read them, then you would see that this is precisely speaking to the end times. Here is one such example. Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool. 19 If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land; 20 but if you refuse and rebel, you shall be eaten by the sword; for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.” This doesn't occur until they look upon the one they pierced, at least for those knowledgeable regarding what the prophets said. What is clear, is that you still continue to avoid the real issue at hand, which dismantles your entire theory. You cannot put the blood of the righteous and the prophets on any other city when Jesus Himself already proclaimed that blood on Jerusalem, it is just that simple.

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  10. Mystery Babylon

    For starters, the entire earth is to be destroyed by fire. II Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. 11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, 12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! 13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Jerusalem specific. Isaiah 1:21 How the faithful city has become a whore, she who was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers. 22 Your silver has become dross, your best wine mixed with water. 23 Your princes are rebels and companions of thieves. Everyone loves a bribe and runs after gifts. They do not bring justice to the fatherless, and the widow's cause does not come to them. 24 Therefore the Lord declares, the Lord of hosts, the Mighty One of Israel: “Ah, I will get relief from my enemies and avenge myself on my foes. 25 I will turn my hand against you and will smelt away your dross as with lye and remove all your alloy. 26 And I will restore your judges as at the first, and your counselors as at the beginning. Afterward you shall be called the city of righteousness, the faithful city.” 27 Zion shall be redeemed by justice, and those in her who repent, by righteousness. 28 But rebels and sinners shall be broken together, and those who forsake the Lord shall be consumed. 29 For they shall be ashamed of the oaks that you desired; and you shall blush for the gardens that you have chosen. 30 For you shall be like an oak whose leaf withers, and like a garden without water. 31 And the strong shall become tinder, and his work a spark, and both of them shall burn together, with none to quench them. Another witness to consider. Amos 9:5 The Lord God of hosts, he who touches the earth and it melts, and all who dwell in it mourn, and all of it rises like the Nile, and sinks again, like the Nile of Egypt; 6 who builds his upper chambers in the heavens and founds his vault upon the earth; who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out upon the surface of the earth— the Lord is his name. 7 “Are you not like the Cushites to me, O people of Israel?” declares the Lord. “Did I not bring up Israel from the land of Egypt, and the Philistines from Caphtor and the Syrians from Kir? 8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord God are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from the surface of the ground, except that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob,” declares the Lord. 9 “For behold, I will command, and shake the house of Israel among all the nations as one shakes with a sieve, but no pebble shall fall to the earth. 10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, who say, ‘Disaster shall not overtake or meet us.’ Chapter 9 of Amos is all about the destruction of Israel, but you should notice it is not all the people, only the sinners. Oh, and an important piece that follows this, Israel's restoration. Amos 9:11 “In that day I will raise up the booth of David that is fallen and repair its breaches, and raise up its ruins and rebuild it as in the days of old, 12 that they may possess the remnant of Edom and all the nations who are called by my name,” declares the Lord who does this. 13 “Behold, the days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when the plowman shall overtake the reaper and the treader of grapes him who sows the seed; the mountains shall drip sweet wine, and all the hills shall flow with it. 14 I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and drink their wine, and they shall make gardens and eat their fruit. 15 I will plant them on their land, and they shall never again be uprooted out of the land that I have given them,” says the Lord your God. Notice how it has to be rebuilt? It's mentioned several times in this passage alone. Of course the OT prophets had plenty to say on the matter, you know, all those prophets who Jesus put the blood on Jerusalem? You can keep talking in circles around this fact all you like, but it won't bring you any closer to the truth. Another thing that you are completely mistaken on, was your claim that what Jesus said was only referencing the past. Here is more from the same conversation. Matthew 23:34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. See there in verse 34, that is talking about things yet to come, not the past. Your claim this was only referencing the past is way off base. It is not the city that exists today, hence why Amos and the other OT prophets tell us that the land is rebuilt. Zechariah is speaking of the geographical location, not the modern city which will be destroyed as God foretold it would long ago. Judgement begins there, that is what prophecy states, read Amos chapter 9 for clarification. You should also note, that the millennial temple described by Ezekiel is too large for the current temple mount, way too large for it. He most certainly did not, as the verse posted clearly shows, Jesus put the blood of the righteous and the prophets on Jerusalem. This is an outright false claim that flies in the face of the scripture posted. I am quite sure you won't, and you definitely haven't even made an effort to this point. You keep trying to talk around what Jesus said, but offer no explanation, and not a single bit of scripture to support your symbolic claims for Rome. I'll give you a few examples of what constitutes actual evidence of symbolization. Revelation 17: 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. Jeremiah 4:30 And you, O desolate one, what do you mean that you dress in scarlet, that you adorn yourself with ornaments of gold, that you enlarge your eyes with paint? In vain you beautify yourself. Your lovers despise you; they seek your life. 31 For I heard a cry as of a woman in labor, anguish as of one giving birth to her first child, the cry of the daughter of Zion gasping for breath, stretching out her hands, “Woe is me! I am fainting before murderers.”
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