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    Omegaman & JADE and husband

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    Please pray for me

  3. Romans 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
  4. Thanks for indulging me brother, it appears we share the same thoughts on the matter. God bless
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    stomach flu

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    Spirit of the Word

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  8. Actually it doesn't if you misunderstand what it means to be further clothed. When Jesus tells the disciples to remain in the city until they are further clothed from power on high, they listened. Years later they were all killed for their faith, which means they were not immortal when already clothed. Think about it.
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    For me

  10. The confusion in regards to soul sleep, is simply mistaking what it means to be clothed. For clarification, look to what Jesus said specifically in regards to being clothed, which clears up also what it means to be naked. Luke 24:44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47 and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.” To be clothed is to be filled with the Holy Spirit, which was the promise of the Father. Also, refer to Jesus' comments to Nicodemus regarding what is required to enter the kingdom of heaven, one must be born again of water and Spirit. John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. Ephesians 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. God bless
  11. From Romans 8, one of my favorite passages of scripture. One important distinction to be made in this passage, Paul is specifically addressing the elect, which begs the question, what are the qualifiers for being one of the elect?
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    Seeking god

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  13. I don't see anywhere in this thread where Butero claims he can save himself. If you want to point out the post in which he makes this claim, I will stand corrected. And in regards to whether or not you have endorsed people going out and sinning willfully, I haven't seen that either. Perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying.
  14. I agree with you of course, regarding God's foreknowledge. Since you acknowledge we are making decisions, I would take your answer to belief in free will as a yes. As for my second question, is there any scripture that implies or says that free will is taken away from an individual?
  15. Do you believe in free will? If so, is there any indication in scripture that it is taken away?
  16. I believe it is, if people can set emotion aside and simply discuss the relevant scripture. In my opinion, the best place to start is the matter of whether one can walk away from God or not. I think we all can agree that God will not walk away from us, and as support for this we simply look to what Jesus said on the subject, I will never leave you nor forsake you. So that begs the question, can a person walk away from Him? This is really the heart of the debate that needs to be addressed, scripturally. God bless
  17. There is a reason this debate has not changed for hundreds of years, and we are seeing it displayed in this thread just as we have in all the other threads on the subject. No one is going to get banned though, possibly removed from the thread, but fear not! Another one will arise from the ashes and we will start over again with the same result! The question is why the result will be the same, and the answer is not all that complicated. One side of the argument reverts to the accusation that if not OSAS, then the individual must be of the mindset they save themselves, nullifying the work of Christ. The other side, will revert to the accusation that if OSAS, then you promote willful sinning with unabashed shame. Of course in either case, there are never any statements made to support either claim, so round and round we go. Cheese is nice if you have some crackers to go with it, but a bag of popcorn also goes hand in hand with a good show. God bless
  18. I think you quoted the wrong person, that is not my post.
  19. Scripture tells us that Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. So God's definition of salvation has not wavered one bit. Unfortunately, men have redefined repentance in modern times. If you have the time, I would suggest watching this video for clarification of how things have changed in more recent times regarding repentance, salvation, and how the church has turned the sinners prayer into a fast food version of salvation with no real discipleship for those new to the faith.
  20. I agree with that, but I think how one defines salvation may be where some of the confusion or differences begin. Clarification is offered in scripture of course, straight from the mouth of Jesus. John 3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?”5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” God bless
  21. I have been reading some of this thread tonight, and it occurred to me that a large portion of this exchange is either a big misunderstanding, or simply a desire to argue in circles. I am going to show you what I mean just by comparing a couple of posts from opposing views. For starters, this excerpt from discipler, but specifically let's focus on one particular segment. Now, if I am understanding correctly, discipler is specifically stating that good fruits/ works, come from the Spirit, as in, the Holy Spirit. I think we all agree that the Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead, or trinity, which means what discipler is saying is that good fruits/ works comes from God, not from himself. I can go back further to another one of disciplers posts as well, in which a passage was posted regarding abiding in Christ / Christ abiding in the individual. This too should be understood as a reference to the Holy Spirit, as this is how Christ abides in us in our present mortal bodies. Anyway, that is two examples of where I see discipler saying that whatever good is done, is done by the Holy Spirit/ God through him. Now this excerpt from blood bought, let's focus on just the opening statement. God working through him, from the inside out. Now that sounds an awful lot to me like what you are saying is, any good fruit/ works from you comes as a result of the Holy Spirit/ God. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that exactly what discipler said? Once all the uncalled for rhetoric is washed away, you believe the same thing in this regard. So would it be safe to say, that fruit/ work that comes from the Holy Spirit cannot be called a "dead work" as you suggested? Once you two get past the misunderstanding regarding the fruit/ work, maybe you can find a civil way to discuss some of the scripture. If you continue to argue about something you agree on, I am not sure what the point of the conversation is. Just my two cents worth. God bless
  22. I'm not really surprised, I don't expect the murder of the innocent will be stopped until Jesus returns on the clouds.
  23. Personally, I would start in the New Testament with the gospel of Matthew. Take your time, don't read too much at once, perhaps a chapter or two a day so that you retain and think about what you have read. I would read all four of the gospels in order, as one may speak more to you than the others do, which is probably why God provided us with four different accounts of the same events from four very different writers. God bless