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  1. Thank you for your response you have completly described my husbands belief _ hyper cavalinist.I am not looking to undermine my husband but help him,Let me give some more background I have been married for 20 years and my husband has only been active in church for the last year.He game across a preacher on tv and started studying and attending his church. Now he is not at all willing to hear anything I want to discuss ,If I disagree I just dont have ears to hear.That I am being lead astray by false teachers.Now I do not want my husband to go back to his old ways, But there message is dark and dicouraging, Jesus only came for his elect. I am only looking for some direction.
  2. That is where the problem lies he believes we have no choice that we are predestined to Heaven or hell and we have no choices in what we do.Only a man dead in his sin can make a chioce. But that my eyes have been opened and that I know how to define word,and not be decieved. By the way the insert is from his preachers web site. example is john 3;16 does not mean god loved the world ,only his elect. My pastor talk ed to him and invited him to talk when we left church he told me that he was an idiot ,and refused to go back.We have attened ten different churches to date and he finds fault with everyone of them.I just can not abdond my faith!!!
  3. Please let me clarify,I do love my husband very much but believe he is being misguided by his preacher,which he says he teaches the truths of predestination, defining Greek and Hebrew words from the bible. I have prayed and tried to discuss this with my husband ,but as my example shows; God is Willing That Any Should Perish John 6:37 -- All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. John 6:39 -- of All which He hath given me I should lose nothing-- II Peter 3:9 -- The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any (of us) should perish, but that all (of us) should come to repentance. Men pervert the scripture saying God does not want any man to perish. " The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil (Prov. 16:4)". God loved Jacob and hated Esau, before either were born, and before either had done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand (Rom. 9:11-13). Paul said again, that God, as the potter, has the power over the clay of the same lump (Jacob and Esau were twin brothers from the same womb ) to make one unto honour (Jacob) and another unto dishonour (Esau). (Rom. 9:21). It is God's choice. "He doeth that He will-- (Dan. 4:35)". He has compassion and mercy on whom he desires (Rom. 9:15). It is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy (Rom. 9:16). The Jews said to Jesus, "how long dost thou make us doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly." Jesus answered them, "Ye believe not because ye are not of my sheep (John 10:26)." Jesus said, "My Father gave them to me (John 10:29), and I give my sheep eternal life (John 10:28)." Salvation is not a biological miracle. Jesus does not turn goats into sheep, giving them life. He has owned his sheep from the foundation of the world (II Timothy. 1:9; Eph. 1:4). When sheep are lost on the mountain side or in the valley, they always belong to the shepherd, and he will seek and save everyone that he owns (Luke 19:10). God has planted the hearing ear (Prov. 20:12). When he calls, they will hear and follow (John 10:4). In the last days, men will scoff at the promise of Christ to redeem his people (II Pet. 3:4). The original text gives our answer to the scoffers, refuting them saying, "He is not willing that any of us (his sheep) should perish, but that all of us (that he owned from the beginning) should come to repentance (II Pet. 3:9). He will not allow the roaring lion or the devouring wolf to consume even one of his sheep. No one can pluck them out of his hand (John 10:28,29). He will lose nothing God Ordains Certain Men to Hell Isaiah 64:8 -- O Lord, thou art our Father; we are the clay; and thou art the potter; and we all are the work of thy hand. work -- Hebrew: Maaseh- an action (good or bad); product; transaction; business. Romans 9:20-23 -- Who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed It, why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter the power over the clay of the same lump, to make one vessel unto honour and another unto dishonour-- What if God willing to show his wrath, and make his power known, endured with much long suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he hath afore prepared unto glory. fitted - Greek: katartizo- to complete thoroughly; fit; frame; arrange; prepare Thayer says this word speaks of men whose souls God has so constituted that they cannot escape destruction; their mind is fixed that they frame themselves. Men get angry to think that we serve a God that can do as it pleases him. They actually think that an almighty God thinks the way they think and that he could not possibly form-fit a vessel to hell merely to show his wrath and power. Paul said he does. Men have difficulty perceiving a God that predestinates men (Rom. 8:29 ) on whom he desires to show his grace (unmerited favor) and mercy, that he may shower them throughout eternity with the riches of his glory. We like to believe that we must give him permission, if he is to operate in our hearts and minds. The Lord said, "My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways. As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts (Isa. 55:8,9)." Our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased (Psa. 115:3). He doeth whatsoever pleaseth him (Eccl. 8:3). Thou, O Lord hast done as it pleased thee (Jonah 1:14). Whatsoever the Lord pleased, that did he in heaven, and earth, and in the seas, and in all the deep places (Psa. 135:6). He does all his pleasure (Isa. 46:10; Isa. 44:24-28; Eph. 1:5,9; Phillipians 2:13). It is Jesus that holds the Key to death and hell (Rev. 1:18), not Satan. God will intentionally cast these evil vessels of wrath into hell and lock them up for eternity, because it is not his pleasure to draw them to him (John 6:44). This doctrine angers men, though it is taught throughout the pages of God's Holy Book. Men do not have a biblical view of the living God when thy think he is not in control of all things including the minds and hearts of all men. God is not only love to the vessels of mercy, but he is a consuming fire (Deut. 4:24) upon the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction. We do not serve a God who is Superman that can only shake mountains, implode black holes, and explode super novas. The God of the universe can harden and soften the hearts of men at will (Rom. 9:18; Ezek. 36:26). He giveth not account of any of his matters (Job 33:13). Now my husband thinks my babtist church is wrong because he belives there is no truth in babtist churches, that they are false teachers no matter where I attend.And that I will burn in hell because I know the truth. And am being lead astray and being lied to.Thanks for all the comments.
  4. I am so dicouraged .My spouse belives we make no desisions ,we are prestined or we are not. That we can not accept christ .I have tried attending church,but he believes all that we have attended are false teachers. His belielfs are so dark and discouraging. If i diagree with him he says i disagree with the bible and do not believe the word of god.Or that i do not have ears to hear. This is just an example: The Two Christ. Preachers and Bible teachers very seldom talk or even think of teaching, how to spot false doctrines of Christianity. The lack of this teaching should be a indicator in it self, something is wrong.( after all as long as you "accept christ" it's ok, you, "get saved" and all is good ) very few in the world today, would even think of questioning this doctrine or instruction; and if anyone puts up any real opposition to this wide spread believe, he or she must be deceived or has joined an acult. This is what is said, if you go against the grain, just remember the grain of this world run true and strait, strait to hell. But what does the Bible actully say about this subject? t 7:15 BewareG4337 ofG575 false prophets,G5578 whichG3748 comeG2064 toG4314 youG5209 inG1722 sheep'sG4263 clothing,G1742 butG1161 inwardlyG2081 they areG1526 raveningG727 wolves.G3074 Mat 7:21 NotG3756 every oneG3956 that saithG3004 unto me,G3427 Lord,G2962 Lord,G2962 shall enterG1525 intoG1519 theG3588 kingdomG932 of heaven;G3772 butG235 he that doethG4160 theG3588 willG2307 of myG3450 FatherG3962 whichG3588 is inG1722 heaven.G3772 Mat 7:22 ManyG4183 will sayG2046 to meG3427 inG1722 thatG1565 day,G2250 Lord,G2962 Lord,G2962 have we notG3756 prophesiedG4395 in thyG4674 name?G3686 andG2532 in thyG4674 nameG3686 have cast outG1544 devils?G1140 andG2532 in thyG4674 nameG3686 doneG4160 manyG4183 wonderful works?G1411 Mat 7:23 AndG2532 thenG5119 will I professG3670 unto them,G846 I neverG3763 knewG1097 you:G5209 departG672 fromG575 me,G1700 ye that workG2038 iniquity.G458 From the seventh chapter of Matthew, it's plain to see, they (false teachers) will look and sound just like the real thing, and according to Christ many will be affected v.22 (thrown in Hell) come back to ch. to see how to know them and who will be ok v.24 Now lets look at the 24th chapter, the disciples ask Christ a question in v.3 AndG1161 as heG846 satG2521 uponG1909 theG3588 mountG3735 of Olives,G1636 theG3588 disciplesG3101 cameG4334 unto himG846 privately,G2596 G2398 saying,G3004 TellG2036 us,G2254 whenG4219 shall these thingsG5023 be?G2071 andG2532 whatG5101 shall be theG3588 signG4592 of thyG4674 coming,G3952 andG2532 of theG3588 endG4930 of theG3588 world?G165 Take note of the first words out of his mouth "Take heedG991 that noG3361 manG5100 deceiveG4105 you".G5209 this subject of false doctrine and teachers is on his mind from the start of this teaching.... Mat 24:5 ForG1063 manyG4183 shall comeG2064 inG1909 myG3450 name,G3686 saying,G3004 IG1473 amG1510 Christ;G5547 andG2532 shall deceiveG4105 many.G418
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