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  • Birthday 02/15/1971

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  1. Leaving this church is good for you, and it can be good for the church, too. God has opened your eyes and you are no longer blind. If God wills it, once you have grown in His truth, you can return to the people there and be a part of God opening their eyes, too. Others may be watching you and will follow your example, too, thus lessening the hold these doctrines have on those who remain. Leaving is a very loving thing to do, just not an obvious loving thing to do.
  2. No. I don't have a church, and no, I don't have a mentor. It's not for lack of trying though or desire. I've never had a teacher of any kind. If I wanted to know anything, I had to teach myself. God seems to want it that way for me, too. I studied with Him and just Him for two years, reading only the bible and letting His Holy Spirit interpret it. I'm now pushed away by other Christians at church, and in my daily life, because, and I quote, "you know more of the bible than I do." Except I don't. I can't quote any verse perfectly, I can't remember where anything is in the bible, I can't keep my prophets straight or the Kings, and I can never remember which disciple said what or in what book. I just read it, eat it, and let the Holy Spirit do His work. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would give us the words when we needed them, and in me, He's doing just that. I'd actually like to team up with a bible scholar so they can keep me from misquoting His word and can tell me instantly where to find what I'm talking about. I'm a loner and always have been. I don't know who or what I am in Christ, but God does. He's the only one I ask anymore. I've asked Him about joining and belonging. He told me I just need to be where He needs me to be when He needs me to be there. I asked Him about going to church and He told me I wasn't there to get fed, but to feed others. In other words, I'm HIS servant. HE is my Shepard. I don't run around claiming prophetic words for people. God is hard pressed to get me to open my mouth at all. I'd prefer to be liked by people, not looked at strangely or treated as a mental patient. I'd rather sit in the back listening to sermons, thinking deep thoughts, or have a rousing theological research and discussion session. I'd rather be invited to bible studies instead of being made to feel unwelcome at them. And I'd rather be comforting people with God's word instead of rousing up suspicion, envy or mockery. There's also what Isaiah said: Isaiah 6:5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. I can't say anything as God reveals it to me. Messages get lost in the translation. I'd rather God tell them Himself. Add to that this: Matthew 18:6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Mark 9:42 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea. Luke 17:2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. Who'd want anyone to stumble in their faith? And finally there's what God said He'd do to the false teachers and false prophets. There are far too many verses to list here, but everyone of them tempers my tongue. I'm a loner, but Jesus doesn't leave me alone.
  3. I'm not sure about any specific timeline. He just wants us to not be alarmed at what we're seeing, and going to be seeing going on around us; and to remind each other of His presence in all of this, His control of it all, and His purpose for it all. The only other image He gave me was a scene. Its dark. On my right stands Christ and His army. Christ is in the first row, center, standing a head taller than everyone else. They stand in rows, swords drawn, but the blades down and their hands resting on the hilt. All heads are bowed and eyes are closed. Everyone is waiting. Jesus and the entire army are glowing white, a glow that emanates from within them. On my left, in the dark, lit only by the glow from Christ and His army, are mewling, dirty, disease ridden, boil covered, starving, Gollum-looking things squirming to get away from the Light.
  4. Ezekiel suffered before Israel did. (Ezekiel 4) And I've always believed God never does anything without telling us first.
  5. First, I'd like to correct a typo I now see I made-I went through my first oven 13 years ago, not 12. I only used the future tense because that's how He told me. He told me this 15 years ago, so it was in the future at the time, but even then, He didn't reveal to me when all this was to start so I assume that part isn't important to what He wants me to tell. He gave me this word two years before my first oven, and He spent two years preparing me for it. I didn't realize He was doing this at the time, but I am very glad He did because there is no way I could've survived it without Him and all that He taught me. I can only assume I went through my first oven when I did so I could experience it, be comforted by God through it, and now have that comfort and wisdom to give to others as they go through. People seem to be having a problem with the word "oven". Perhaps "furnace" would help in understanding more? God said 'oven' with me, so that's what I've said. 13 years ago, my husband was arrested and charged with 2 counts of aggravated child molestation and 2 counts of child molestation of my daughter, who was 5 at the time. On top of and in the midst of all that turmoil, I was under suspicion of knowing and allowing this to occur. I knew I was completely in the hands of God. He would do what He willed, but I did not know what that was. He would either reveal my innocence and I would continue on with my daughter or He would allow me to be sent to prison to do His work away from my daughter. I was brought to my knees and He asked me: Would I follow Him? If He hadn't taught me for two years previous, there is no way I could've said yes. I didn't face fear. I faced terror. I said yes, and I have not been the same since. No. I haven't gone through my second oven because in my weakness, I've balked at Him. I'm terrified of the next one. I will go through it though, and the others. He's Jesus and I love Him.
  6. God told me there are going to be seven ovens, each one turned up seven times hotter than the previous. This is to purify His church. He is preparing those who come through for something that is coming. I don’t know what’s coming or when; I only know that it will require the kind of faith only ovens can create. I don’t have a specific biblical reference for this. He has given me some biblical confirmation through various verses but nothing specific pertaining to this particular word. There has also been some confirmation through other people having received the same word. I’ve also had personal confirmation of His word. I went through my first oven 12 years ago. I have found comfort in this. He isn’t picking on us and Satan isn’t getting the upper hand. Our struggles aren’t personal anymore-the whole church is suffering and this suffering is serving a real and single purpose for God. It isn't about my faith or your faith anymore-its about our faith in our God and Lord. There is something God needs us to do and He’s preparing us for that.
  7. Would I start that thread here or in another place?
  8. That would get their attention...although, I think I'll keep my clothes on and just use Ezekiel as an example if I get told I have to earn people's respect before they listen to God Thanks Other One! I'm not too worried about convincing people. I do trust God for that. He said those who have ears to hear will hear. It just leaves me sorrowful when I realize they haven't even listened because they are looking at me and not God. God's speaking to them and they're missing Him. When I say "listen" I don't mean they believe me. I mean they just take it in, take it to God, pray about it, research it, etc. I was prepared to be rejected. I've read enough of the prophets to have expected that, although its a lot worse in person (and I haven't been rejected anything like the prophets were.) I never expected God to be rejected though. I expected them to want scriptural verification (which is needed) and, of course, the fulfillment of His word, so I've done my best to prepare for that. It was such a shock then to be told I have to earn people's respect before they'll listen. I guess I'm just trying to understand why she brought me into it. It's not about respecting me. It's not about me at all. How do I take "me" out of the picture and keep me out? As for His actual word, I'd prefer to start another thread with that topic so it doesn't get confused with this one.
  9. I was given a prophetic word by God about 15 years ago, when I was just a babe in Christ. When He first showed me, I kind of froze. He was sending me to the church with this word and I know full well what the church does with prophets. I decided to wait for God to back up His word with scripture. I knew it came from Him, but others would doubt (as they should), and I also knew I'd have to have scriptures at the ready to defend His word. I continued to wait for the Holy Spirit to give me scriptures but I've yet to be given even one that says exactly what He showed me, just bits and pieces of scriptures that do back it up, but could easily be argued against. I'm not a bible scholar nor a prophecy scholar;I just know what He showed me. I trust He'll give me His scriptures when the time comes. Plus, He's already begun to fulfill this prophecy in my life and I see it happening in the body as well. But, I have spoken about it a few times to individuals, and no one really seemed to listen. It didn't prick their hearts at all. It hasn't actually pricked anyone's heart to tell the truth. I've never once doubted God's word to me. If anything, people's lack of response only confirms His word, which saddens me greatly. The last person I spoke to about it responded with, "That's awfully frightening. I'm not sure that's from God." I told her to take it to God and ask Him to verify it. It's His word, and He'll confirm it. She then rejected His word outright and said, "If you want people to respect what you're saying, you need to get into a church, let people get to know you, then, when they respect you, they'll listen to what you're saying." I could only stand before her in shock: I didn't say it. God did. It's not for my benefit; it's for yours. He's warning you and you aren't listening. I didn't understand. Is this why people aren't hearing Him? The Holy Spirit said: Matthew 13:54-57 "Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. “Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?” they asked.“Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?”And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.” and John 5:43-44 "I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?" I want to share His word. He's sending it to prepare people and to comfort them. I expected to be challenged scripturally. I didn't expect this. How do I get people to stop seeing me and hear Christ instead?
  10. I'm currently struggling with God in a similar fashion. God is in charge of everything-that's what being "sovereign" means. God could fix this man's situation instantly and He could fix mine as well (though mine is different in nature.) This man is upset and I can relate-so could Job. All three of us want to argue our case before God. Job did and got his answer-God is sovereign. When God answered my complaint, He gave me only part of the answer (the rest is coming). He told me that I had been believing Him for something He never promised in His word. I had been believing Him for something I'd been taught by mankind, not by His word. I'm still struggling, but now its with my flesh-not God. Ask your friend to lay out clearly what he believes God promised Him-be as specific as possible-then have him dig deep into God's word to see if God really did promise those things. And make sure he understands what God is saying-not what mankind says He's saying. We get things wrong all the time. He can only get understanding from the Holy Spirit Himself. Ask him to ask God if he's believing for something God never promised. He also needs to be prepared for the answer. When I realized that God hadn't promised me this, it had a very profound affect on me. There is far more clarity in my understanding now, but there is more pain than before, and I still don't know what to do. If anything, your friend will have a clearer understanding of what He's hoping God will do for him and whether or not his faith is based on biblical truth. I don't ask God to fulfill my desire anymore, as much as that hurts. My new understanding has brought me to a new place-a much harder place-but a much more real place in Christ. Whether this is part of his struggle or not, I pray he finds some quiet time with God, to open his faith to a new understanding and a new place in Christ and to remember that we are always growing, He is always raising us up higher.
  11. When I need something, I ask for help with it, and don't wait for people to guess what it is. That being said, you have stated you need something, and need someone to ask what it is. What is it you need? How can we help? "It's been a long time since I've been here. I left because I felt rejected and misunderstood. I said some things that came from my heart and suddenly no one talked to me anymore. No one asked questions, no one tried to understand. I was judged and promptly rejected. No one bothered to look at their own level of faith to see if there was something lacking. It was easier to see me as the "whacko", which justifies (to themselves at least) writing me off. I get enough of that in my day to day life. I thought it would be different here. It should be anyways."-the first line of my first post. Ya'll missed me because it was easier to tell me I was angry and bitter and resentful and not humble. Ya'll were so focused on making sure I understood how I was making ya'll feel, you missed how I was feeling. I needed to know if it was safe to be me here. It isn't.
  12. Just a thought to consider: Just as easily as you all are accusing me of being angry, resentful, bitter, etc., I could just as easily turn it around and accuse all of you of not showing patience with someone who's hurting.
  13. if you hadn't projected an image of being so easily offended, there would have been no reason to mention those verses. Gaining knowledge isn't the primary purpose for studying the Word, it has to be manifest in the fruit of the Spirit. Are you just having a bad day? Need to vent??? Go ahead...just don't allow yourself to hold on to a root of bitterness anymore. Yeh. That must be it. I'm just having a bad day. You're right. I'm wrong. Typical. That is not what he is saying, and I hate to say it, but you are overly-defensive, in the extreme. Reading through your posts, I see two common threads in all of them in this thread: 1. That you are extremely angry. 2. Everything bad that happens is someone else's fault. People are reaching out to you here and yet, you still lash out at them. You do not seem to have the ability to accept the fact that some of the problems you experience with other people is because of your own behavior, your own reactions, and your own preconceptions about people and organizations, before you have even experienced them. If you think every person you meet is going to disappoint you, congratulations, that is exactly what will happen. If you think every church is bad and controlling before you even set foot in the door, you'll never find one that isn't, because to your way of thinking, they do not exist. They do, but you will never find it with having judged every one of them before ever having visited them. In ever instance where you talk about others, every scenario has you telling us what they did wrong, how they behaved poorly. The entire scenario seems to be that you are perfectly ok, it is the rest of the world that is messed up. Empirically, that is impossible. Until you can let go of your bitterness and realize that you bring a great deal of these problems on yourself by your own behavior and attitudes, you are going to be a very lonely person. And I am sorry, but these problems are not everyone else's fault. I'm more than willing to accept responsiblity when I am behaving badly-when the Holy Spirit convicts me of doing so. I don't trust my own judgement in that, let alone a bunch of people who have yet to ask me what I need, but are content to tell me what they think I need. I've spent 40 years taking the blame. ALL the blame. I've ruined my life because of it. I believed it when people told me I was to blame. Now God is showing me all the times I took blame when I shouldn't have, and He's showing me why people blamed me. One of the reasons was to distract me from the real issue. So I'm not taking it all anymore. I'm thinking it through, not just accepting every accusation that's thrown at me. I came here with a legitimate complaint about Christians not living up to their projected image. I was hurt by being abandoned like that. Funny how that issue vanished in the midst of blaming me for not being polite. Is anyone here willing to take blame for the poor instruction of said abandoners? Or will you say simply, "I can't take the blame for what someone else did." Aren't we all teaching each other how to behave properly in the good Christian way? How then could they have done that to me? How many others have felt abandoned and slipped off quietly wondering if God cares at all. The people who abandoned me had their reasons, but I was part of their Christian instruction. I failed them somehow. So, I'll be the first to take the blame for people abandoning me (and leaving me to wonder endlessly about what I did), and for professing such faith in God and then not living in it. So, yes. It someone else's fault. It's all our fault.
  14. Hi stormy... I've read the replies and exchanges... revealing in many ways I guess. Its funny what we pick up on when reading each others posts...when I read the above, I didn't disregard what you expressed, but my focus was on that little aside in brackets, 'He fed Isaiah through ravens' and all I could think was...'surely he meant Elijah?' so I double checked in case Isaiah had a similar experience. 1Kings 17:1 Now Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the settlers of Gilead, said to Ahab, “As the LORD, the God of Israel lives, before whom I stand, surely there shall be neither dew nor rain these years, except by my word.” 2 The word of the LORD came to him, saying, 3 “Go away from here and turn eastward, and hide yourself by the brook Cherith, which is east of the Jordan. 4 “It shall be that you will drink of the brook, and I have commanded the ravens to provide for you there.” 5 So he went and did according to the word of the LORD, for he went and lived by the brook Cherith, which is east of the Jordan. 6 The ravens brought him bread and meat in the morning and bread and meat in the evening, and he would drink from the brook. 7 It happened after a while that the brook dried up, because there was no rain in the land. I get the impression that G-d was able to teach Elijah a few home truths as he was stuck away on his own hiding from everyone and yet reliant on surviving by taking food supplied through the word of G-d from an unclean creature such as a raven...must have tested his theology and even made G-d chuckle. Yeh. It was Elijah. I can never keep my prophets straight.
  15. if you hadn't projected an image of being so easily offended, there would have been no reason to mention those verses. Gaining knowledge isn't the primary purpose for studying the Word, it has to be manifest in the fruit of the Spirit. Are you just having a bad day? Need to vent??? Go ahead...just don't allow yourself to hold on to a root of bitterness anymore. Yeh. That must be it. I'm just having a bad day. You're right. I'm wrong. Typical.
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