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  1. Butero

    Salvation by Grace vs. Works

    That is one possibility. Another is that Titus is not speaking of salvation, and we know that because salvation is of works. That type of logic doesn't work. Real salvation will result in good works. Real faith will cause people to have a change in their lifestyle. Not all faith is saving faith. There are many who believe in Jesus that are not saved.
  2. Butero

    Salvation by Grace vs. Works

    Let's see what it says in Titus 3:5. Does it say, "Ye shall not refer to James when speaking of salvation?" No. It says, "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost." I could simply say that anyone that uses this verse to refer to salvation is violating James, but that is pitting scripture against scripture, which is not necessary.
  3. Butero

    Salvation by Grace vs. Works

    I actually had someone criticize how people were referring to James and Hebrews so much, so I meant what I said.
  4. Butero

    Salvation by Grace vs. Works

    You got it. If you accepted Jesus, it is because God the Father revealed his Son to you so that you could believe. You were chosen to be among the elect. Still, you had to make the decision to accept Christ as your Lord and Savior. Your faith led you to act upon it, which is a work. If you read Hebrews chapter 11 and James chapter 2, you will see how faith and works go hand in hand. They are not in opposition to each other as some falsely teach. Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jo-na: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 16:17 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. Luke 10:21,22
  5. Butero

    Salvation by Grace vs. Works

    But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:8-10 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? John 6:46 The Bible is in complete opposition to your teaching. It is dangerous ground to be at odds with scripture. For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking or of judgment and fiery indignation which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord, And again, the Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:26-31 I know that like with James, some would love to remove this passage from Hebrews from the Bible, but it is part of the canon too, and according to this passage, what is counting the blood of the covenant, WHEREWITH HE WAS SANCTIFIED, and unholy thing, and what is doing despite unto the Spirit of grace is not preaching that we must have works in addition to faith, but it is sinning willfully after we got saved. The Bible is once again in direct opposition to your teachings.
  6. Butero

    Salvation by Grace vs. Works

    Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2:24 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? James 2:17-20 I know there are some who attack the book of James because it contradicts their doctrine, but it is part of the Biblical canon.
  7. Butero

    Unpardonable sin

    To me, based on what was taking place when Jesus gave the warning, the unpardonable sin is attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil. This is a very old thread, and I don't know if the lady that asked the question will even return to read any new replies, but I feel like that if someone ever committed this sin, the Spirit would not deal with them, and they wouldn't care to be saved. The Spirit would turn away from that person and they would feel nothing.
  8. Butero

    Judas Iscariot

    There is no question it was revealed to Peter. My whole question was centered around the claim that every single Apostle with the exception of Judas Iscariot called Jesus Lord, and that was supposed to be real important. I wanted the verses that proved that was so, and never got that proof. I really don't think it exists. I am not asking you to defend what someone else said. Let him defend it if he can.
  9. Butero

    Judas Iscariot

    That is fair. We all have our opinions about Judas. I suspect he was never saved, but who knows? He may have started out right and become greedy over time because he was handling the money bag. Only God knows for sure. I can see how people would think he was never really saved, but I was looking for proof of a specific claim made by another poster that Judas is the only one of the twelve that never called Jesus Lord, as though that was important. It really means nothing, because Jesus said many will say Lord, Lord, and Jesus will testify he never knew them.
  10. Butero

    Judas Iscariot

    That may be true, but it is just a belief. All any of us are doing is speculating. I would say that based on the things I have read about him, it is more likely he was never saved, but I won't come out and say that for sure because we just don't know.
  11. Butero

    Judas Iscariot

    Where does it say that the Holy Spirit showed all the other disciples Jesus was the Son of God? That is what I am getting at. We don't know that much about all of them. There are some that stood out, like Peter, James and John, and we know a lot about their relationship with Jesus, but that is not the case for everyone.
  12. Butero

    Judas Iscariot

    I don't remember him doing that either, but neither do we have much information on many of the other disciples and their conversations. You could verify if Judas Iscariot ever called Jesus Lord, but can you show all the others did? That is the question.
  13. Butero

    Judas Iscariot

    The only thing that would serve as proof that Judas Iscariot was saved or lost all along would be God outright telling us, and he is silent on the matter, so everything being said in this thread is speculation. I don't know if he was ever saved.
  14. Butero

    Judas Iscariot

    I am still waiting on the scriptures that show every single Apostle is on record calling Jesus Lord, with the exception of Judas Iscariot. I asked very nice to be spoon fed the answers, but haven't gotten a response. Could it be he was only repeating things he had heard without verifying it first to make sure it is true? Is it possible it is just an OSAS talking point he heard in his church? The Truth Is Out There, but will we ever know? We know he can't be bullied into proving what he said is true, and asking nicely didn't work either. This is just one of life's mysteries.
  15. Butero

    Judas Iscariot

    I know what you were saying Giller. You were warning him not to judge because God doesn't approve of judging, and he would have to answer to the Lord. I know you well enough to know you weren't threatening anyone. The very idea is laughable. I have had my share of contention on the boards, especially over OSAS, but one thing I have never had a fight over was someone choosing to send me a message because I didn't know them that well or they asked me a question. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:35 The calm manner in which you answered that unprovoked attack was an example in civility for us all. You handled yourself better than I would have.