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  1. Please,take time to read my post,please Since i got saved ive always doubted my salvation! always and having OCD makes it 10x worse! but Earlier today or the day before,I was convinced I was saved & I mean IVE BEING DOUBTING FOR 2 YEARS! since I was saved. But anyways,I watched a Video from pastor Francis Chan & he spoke on Lukewarm & Loving it.Which i felt convicted by,But i Wouldn't say I am lukewarm.Anyways since then,I went Online & looked at a list of signs your lukewarm,in some of the lists,I tick the boxes of being lukewarm & some lists I don't,but heres an analysis of Francis Chans list of SIGNS of lukewarmness: 1. Lukewarm people attend church fairly regularly. It is what is expected of them, what they believe “good Christians” do, so they go. Isaiah 29:13 I dont think that it makes me a good christian,but because I doubt my salvation,i use that as a reason that i'm saved 2. Lukewarm people give money to charity and to the church as long as it doesn’t impinge on their standard of living. If they have a little extra and it is easy and safe to give, they do so, After all, God loves a cheerful giver, right? 1 Chronicles 21:24, Luke 21:1-4 I havent even started given yet,I kind of feel convicted that I should be giving now,But ive never thought of giving yet 3. Lukewarm people tend to choose what is popular over what is right when they are in conflict. They desire to fit in both at church and outside of church; they care more about what people think of their actions (like church attendance and giving) than what God thinks of their hearts and lives. Luke 6:26, Revelation 3:1, Matthew 23:5-7 4. Ive never desired to fit in at church,to be honest I dont care,I dont even care about fitting in the world,I mean I do at times.I do wear smart clothes,for people to think im cool & for the attention to be on me though 4: Lukewarm people don’t really want to be saved from their sin; they want only to be saved from the penalty of their sin. They don’t genuinely hate sin and aren’t truly sorry for it; they’re merely sorry because God is going to punish them. Lukewarm people don’t really believe that this new life Jesus offers is better than the old sinful one. John 10:10, Romans 6:1-2.I want my sin gone,all of it,i desire to sin free and be like jesus christ! latelty i havent felt that "oh no ive sinned" feeling though,but i know in my mind ive sinned and I repent. 5. Lukewarm people are moved by stories of people who do radical things for Christ, yet they do not act. They assume such action is for “extreme” Christians, not average ones. Lukewarm people call “radical” what Jesus expected of all His followers. James 1:22, James 4:17, Matthew 21:28-31 Radical? i havent even thought about being radical yet? I have times when i think or imagine preaching in the jungle with the likes of Paul Washer lol 6. Lukewarm people rarely share their faith with their neighbors, coworkers, or friends. They do not want to be rejected, nor do they want to make people uncomfortable by talking about private issues like religion. Matthew 10:32-33 I share my faith,not as much as I can do though 7. Lukewarm people gauge their morality or “goodness” by comparing themselves to the secular world. They feel satisfied that while they aren’t as hard-core for Jesus as so-and-so, they are nowhere as horrible as the guy down the street. Luke 18:11-12 No,when i first got saved i was unhappy i didnt have a desire for god,now i doo have a desire..but now i want even more 8. Lukewarm people say they love Jesus, and He is, indeed, a part of their lives, their money, and their thoughts, but he isn’t allowed to control their lives. Luke 9:57-62 Jesus is in control of my life,maybe in some areas i reject him,but jesus is pretty much in control of my life,how i speak,what i listen to,how i act towards others,etc 9. Lukewarm people love God, but they do not love Him all their heart, soul, and strength. They would be quick to assure you they try to love God that much, but that sort of total devotion isn’t really possible for the average person; its only for pastors and missionaries and radicals. Matthew 22:37-38 I love jesus,but i want to love him more than my family,which is hard to do,but i want to! 10. Lukewarm people love others but do not seek to love others as much as they love themselves. Their love for others is typically focused on those who love them in return, like family, friends, and other people they know and connect with. There is a little love left over for those who cannot love them back, much less for those who intentionally slight them, who kids are better athletes than theirs, or with whom conversations are awkward or uncomfortable. Their love is highly conditional and very selective, and generally comes with strings attached. Matthew 5:43-47, Luke 14:12-14 I wont lie,i love some people more than others,im unhappy by that now,but i want to love more people,infact i struggle with that,when im judging someone or something,i change the thought & wrestle it casue everyones gods creation. 11. Lukewarm people will serve God and others, but there are limits to how far they will go or how much time, money, and energy they are willing to give. Luke 18:21-25 I dont think ive ever seen any limits in my serving? I guess there is some, 12. Lukewarm people think about life on earth much more often than eternity in heaven. Daily life is mostly focused on today’s to-do list, this week’s schedule, and next month’s vacation. Rarely, if ever do they intently consider the life to come. Philippians 3:18-20 Not even,im always anticipating the day christ returns for me & always wonder what heavens like 13. Lukewarm people are thankful for their luxuries and comforts, and rarely consider trying to give as much as possible to the poor. Matthew 25:34, 40, Isaiah 58:6-7 i havent even reached that yet 14. Lukewarm people do whatever is necessary to keep themselves from feeling too guilty. They want to do the bare minimum, to be “good enough” without requiring too much of them. 1 Chronicles 29:14, Matthew 13:44-46 I think I do this at times 15. Lukewarm people are continually concerned with playing it safe; they are slaves to the god of control. This focus on safe living keeps them sacrificing and risking for God. Matthew 10:28 nah 16. Lukewarm people feel secure because they attend church, made a profession of faith at age twelve, were baptized, come from a Christian family, vote Republican, or live in America. nope,not even,i feel secured because im saved 17. Luke warm people do not live by faith; their lives are structured so they never have to. They don’t have to trust God if something unexpected happens-they have their savings account. They don’t need God to help them—they have their retirement plan in place. They don’t genuinely seek out what life God would have them live—they have life figured and mapped out. They don’t depend on God on a daily basis-their refrigerators are full and, for the most part, they are in good health. The truth is, their lives wouldn’t look much different if they suddenly stopped believing in God. Luke 12:16-21 I live by faith,but i do doubt my faith at times in certain areas i wont lie 18. Lukewarm people probably drink and swear less than average, but besides that, they really aren’t very different from your typical unbeliever. They equate their partially sanitized lives with holiness, but they couldn’t be more wrong. Matthew 23:25-28, Luke 14:34-35 I accidentally swear at times,but i wouldn't say Im a swearer, Basically i don't meet all these,does this mean Im lukewarm though? i wouldnt say i am lukewarm,if you look into my life and non-believer,its totally different & even of those who just "believe" my problem is in that sermon,i dont know whether he was talkingto people who had being saved for years? cause ive being saved for 2years+ maybe & dont have those things,but i do have a desire for god & his things! my other posts which explains myself to give you an idea of me: I have OCD,to some of you guys,that is the doubting disease,which basically means OCD makes you doubt pretty much everything,at times I've doubted my sanity etc. So anyways,once I got saved I started to read my bible,but at this point I was a stupid Christian,I thought god should do everything for me.and when ever he didn't I would "temporarily" leave him,which was stupid and then I realised god doesn't owe me anything,he doesn't have to do anything for me,god is sovereign. From then the things that changed, my music taste changed,yes if I listen to my old music I can find it enjoyable,but I would feel uncomfortable, bause The music just seems like trash to me,utter garbage,I used to look up to these guys but now I think they're losers,which are going to hell,now I really want to be like guys like Tom Conway, Paul washer and ultimately Jesus. The differences in my life since I got saved; The music thing I don't steal illegal films online angmore ,I buy all my films I avoid looking at certain women so that I don't fall into lust I read my bible,everyday sometimes a little passage,but ibread it,sometimes I get bored with it,but when I find treasure in it I get so happy and ecstatic. I give Christian advice I tell people I am a Christian,when before I used to deny Christ. I remember,when I went to summer camp back when I was unsaved,I would get home and try be a nice person whatever,then it'll fade,now I'm progressing. I delite in Christ,truly I love Jesus Christ,I was going through this bad time and thinking of Christ was such a great comfort. Ive found myself crying at times when I hear a message of Christ,I never used to do that.at all. I truly now understand who Christ is,whereas when I was younger I probably never cared. I want a Christian wife,but I'm sacred I'm not "holy" enough at the moment. I don't talk to non-christian girls because I have no business with them,sometimes I fall into it but I cut It off.primarily because a non Christian girl doesn't interest me really,I just want to find a girl who loves Jesus like me. I find myself trying to follow gods commandements because I love him, and also its my duty as a Christian. Ever since I got saved I did make progress,i started to fight sin off,but I've realised I only really fought in certain areas; lust/porn/masturbation. And now I'm back to doubting my salvation because I've realised I have sin in other places,and now I'm back to square one of doubting my salvation. I'm also scared that I'm just fearing hell so I follow Christ,but truly I believe my fear of hell,overshadows my love for god. I love Jesus,he's being awesome to me,but I'm just scared 24/7. I've just realised that I'm really sinful lately,and kind of feel disgusting. Can someone advise me.I feel like when I started to move along in my walk,now I've stopped. But won't god finish the work he started in me? I'm relying to much on feelings as well,and sometimes don't take gods promises literally. But my question is,a non christian,wouldn't care if they were saved or not? There eyes haven't being open to these things.if you went up to a non believers and asked them if they were saved,in sure they wouldn't even care.:confused I'm a different person,than the one I was before all this
  2. Ya must be doing something right when this happens. Crazy.
  3. There is nothing in this world that we can gain that is equal in value to our very souls....Stop and think about where you are going to spend eternity. And if you don't believe in eternity,then stop and ask yourself why you are here. If theres nothing after this then what is our purpose in even existing? surely you want your life to have meaning...Follow Jesus and i assure you ,you will...
  4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMNMFaBrb9g I was blessed to share some of my testimony of how I came to the Lord as a demonstration of God's love. Many people were touched that night and encountered that same love for themselves.
  5. FOR CARNIVORES ONLY - NO DAIRY ENTHUSIASTS - http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/3-2.htm Sometimes we hear: "Can I get an amen?" This message is not easy to listen to, even if you agree with what the man is saying, it does not encourage an "amen". http://youtu.be/29f4EOCF2Oo I have to make a comment here. Some of you who watch this video, may come away convinced that you are going to Hell. That may be the intention that this man had in making it. Surely, if you are going to Hell, it would be better to know about it now, than find out later. The danger is also, that a message like this can be scary and depressing. I don't want that to be the effect. If it makes you shakey, then my all means find out why people go to Hell and what saves them from Hell and do not live in doubt, but in faith. If you watch this video only to feel bad and not learn anything or let God make needed changes in your heart, then it will do no one any good. Don't be like the rich young ruler: 18A ruler questioned Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 19And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. 20“You know the commandments, ‘DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.’” 21And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.” 22When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 23But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. 24And Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God! 25“For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 26They who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?” 27But He said, “The things that are impossible with people are possible with God.” Is there anything more important to you than God? If you are going to join Him in Heaven, why will you be there, on what basis will you be in Heaven, when so many of your friends and relatives, neighbors, aquantences and even strangers that you did not warn won't be? What will you say if God asks: "Why should I let you into my Heaven?" What would you tell your neighbor as he screams across the chasm: "Why didn't you warn me about this place? Did you really hate me that much?"
  6. Everything that God does with us individually is a process of growing into Him and more like Him, but this world is fooled by thinking some things are like a microwave, because their selfishness wants it now – So, they make themselves believe that they have it now, when in truth they haven’t went through God’s required process to receive what they have fooled themselves they already have, but don’t. All Christians are taken from the point of where we are or aren’t in Christ and brought through a process to bring us to a point where we are perfected/sanctified fully into a Christ-like soul. From the point of justification, we are in a process of being sanctified and made whole in Christ, this is called the sanctification process. It starts out at initial sanctification and should end up at entire/full sanctification. Our salvation is a process as well, at initial sanctification we are saved from the power of our sins. Then we must use this power and grace that God has provided to us to continue in our sanctification and rid ourselves of our sins by this power. This process should go on until we have full salvation – by ridding ourselves of all our sins by this grace given to us, which is called the power of “salvation”. There is an “initial salvation”, but then that salvation process needs to continue to “full salvation”. Being born again is also a process. We are first given a seed in our heart and souls that needs to grow into maturity - A mature Christian life that can live fully on Christ alone - A life that has left the world and all its worldly/fleshly desires in the past. We start our born again process at the point of justification and it must continue to completion to be fully born of God. Our sanctification process mirrors our born again process. We must be entirely sanctified to be born of God. Actually the terms “born again” and “entire sanctification” mean the same thing and have the same biblical definitions. A person could rightly say that our sanctification process is the same as our born again process. We must continue on into Christ and His Truth to become an obedient son of God. We must come to be sanctified through and through and become a pure and blameless soul for Him. A saint is not considered a saint until they are fully sanctified, and a born again person is not considered born again until they have matured into a full born again and Christ-like person for the Lord. So, take joy in going through this sanctification (born again) process. Let us all keep reaching and pressing into God for this full born again experience.
  7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAVC1tcfy2g Thank You Lord, for two new brothers.
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    He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. Ecclesiastes 3:11 From My Studies In Physics I Could Never Understand How A Physicist Could Remain A Pagan But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his name. And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people. Isaiah 51:15-16 Unless They're Just Plum Stubborn That Is They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression: they speak loftily. They set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh through the earth. Psalms 73:8-9 ~ Believe For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 And Be Blessed Beloved Love, Joe
  9. Ok, show me. You said I added works to the gospel, as in working ones way to heaven. Show me where I said that. if I am not mistaken this is a quote from you in one of your post "Simple belief will not get one into the kingdom of heaven."
  10. I would like to discuss this topic and listen to any and everyone's opinions on this matter if you care to share. I personally do not believe it is necssary, and later in the thread I will bring scripture into the dialoge to support my postion. Disclosure: I notice posters like to quickly say when I start a thread (Oh gee, we have already talked about this, or this isn't important to me), to those posters I say great, I have discussed this a 1000 times too, but not here. Also there are always new posters coming into our forum, so just keep those non-contributing remarks to yourselves.
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