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  1. https://www.jewishnotgreek.com/ Greetings All, Several yrs ago I made a post suggesting that the idea of an immortal soul is not Biblical. I had no evidence and I was shot down. However I've continued to think I'm right. I know the Bible fairly well and there isn't even 1 solid verse that would lead me to believe we are born with an immortal soul. Quite to the contrary I read over & over in both the OT & the NT that the soul who sins will die. I read that the only way to gain immortality is by accepting Jesus as Lord & savior. I was almost certain an immortal soul was a pagan idea that got into early Christianity. This made sense since the early church fathers were almost all practicing pagans before accepting Jesus. I believe Plato made the idea of an immortal soul popular. Today I found the proof and I needed. Here are 2 sites that explain this fallacy http://jewishnotgreek.info/, https://www.jewishnotgreek.com/. I hope the board has an open mind nowadays.
  2. Some of the pages in this section are what belong to an Englishman’s concordance and lexicon. For our purposes here, a concordance is a record of occurrences of specific words in the Bible. Typically we do this in our own language. For example, we might want to know in which verses, the word coming occurs. In a concordance, we would find a lot of instances, and that might be helpful. Using a concordance, shows us the verses, and part of their context. From that, wecan determine if we want to look up the passages, to see what is being said about a subject, beyond a single verse. However, coming does not always mean the same thing. Sometimes it is a verb, an action word, depicting movement toward us. Other times, in might be a noun, indicated the status or position resulting from the action of coming. Perhaps an example is in order. In Matt 24:3 we see (in the NASB version): As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” We might be curious to know, what it is that the disciples are asking about, Are the wondering if there will be some signs, that Jesus is moving toward them, or is about to? Are they wondering if there are signs to watch for, that would indicate the status resulting from such movement? Just knowing if this is a verb or a noun, goes a long way toward helping us understand the meaning of the word used here. Sometimes, knowing the way the word is constructed, it’s roots, can be instructive, more about that in a moment. For now, let me move one with the rest of my description of my terms “Englishman’s concordance and lexicon”. I have already explained that the concordance is a tool to find instances of a specific word, in our example that word is “coming”. In the Koine Greek language that our English New Testament is translated from, it is not always the same Greek word used for our English word coming. For example, in Matt 2:3 we see: But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? In the above verse, erchomenous is the Greek word used for coming. Erchomenous is a form of the word ἔρχομαι (erchomai). Erchomai is primarily a verb meaning “to come” or “to go”, or “I come”, “I go”, etc. It is more about the movement from one place to another, than it would be if it were used as a noun, indicating the result of such a movement. The direction is not contained in the word itself, but by the context it is used in. In other words, it is coming toward, or going away, or even just moving from one place to another. It is not always used as a verb, sometimes it can be used like a noun and indicate the result of the movement. Again, generally the context (the way the word is used in the sentence and other factors) let us know how to use the word itself. Seeing that there is more than one Greek word used for coming, it can be helpful to know which Greek word is employed in any given circumstance, so that we can compare usage with the identical term elsewhere in the Bible. This is what an Englishman’s concordance is about, it allows us look up the instances of the Greek word, underlying the English word in any given verse. Back to our example of Matt 24:3 we saw: As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” The underlying Greek word for coming in that case, is parousia. The subject there, the future coming of Christ, is quite different than the movement of the Pharisees to a baptism that we saw in Matt 2:3. If we wanted to study the coming of Christ, it would be more helpful to look at the word used for that (parousia) than to search out the word erchomai. Once having looked at where the word is used, that brings us to the idea of a lexicon. The purpose of the lexicon is to give us an understanding of the word usage of the Greek in our own language, English. It is sort of a translational dictionary. By the way, some people are tempted to use a translation tool such as Google translate. Generally, this is not a good idea for Bible study. Sometimes it works, but it is not at all reliable, as modern Greek is not the same as the Koine Greek that the Bible was written in. Languages can change a lot in 2000 years. However, in the case of the word parousia, we get lucky, as you can see below: I am in no way qualified to expound on Greek grammar or definitions as I have only been studying it casually since the early 1990's. Probably neither are you - very few people are. I say this to emphasize that we cannot just pick up a lexicon, look up some definitions and presume to translate the Greek text into English. It does not work like that. Perhaps, once you have diligently studied Koine Greek for twenty years, you can do that, for now, it is generally better to read translations already prepared for us by qualified individuals or translation team. The reason we look at the Greek, is to discover some of the nuances that help us to understand what is being said – it helps us to compare scripture with scripture in a way that aids our understanding. Lay people, such as most of us, can get some help from Greek lexicons. Vine's is often used, but it's scolarship is not the best, though it is easy to use. Bauer/Arndt/Gingrich/Danker is probably the best, in terms of scholarship, but new version of the latest edition, will run you about $160, and it is difficult to use if you are not somewhat proficient in Greek already. It is not designed for lay people, but for Bible translators and seminary students. Older versions used, can be had for about $20. I have one and I use it, but lately, I have grown fond of a newer lexicon, that is better that the Vines, and not as heavy as the BAGD. it is called The Analytical Lexicon to the Greek New Testament - William Mounce Hopefully this will serve to help you understand some of entries which will be placed in this section. Probably, most of the things in this area, will be related to topics that create controversy, confusion, and misunderstanding. This is because the plain and obvious ideas, do not usually need help or extra attention to understand. It is hoped, that these entries, will help to you arrive at better understanding of the Bible as you read and study it. -Omegaman 3.0 February 7th, 2018
  3. I've just discovered this literal translation from greek of the Lord's prayer. "Father of ours who 's in * heaven, hallowed be thy name of yours, come thy kingdom of yours, arise thy will of yours, as in heaven, also on earth. This bread of ours that 's for the coming day give us this day. And free us from these debts of ours as also we have freed those debtors of ours. And do not lead us into trial, but draw us to you, away from that which is grievous ." It looks completely astonishing to me. What is the coming day and why should we ask that bread of the coming day today? Moreover, "DRAW US TO YOU, AWAY from that which is grievous" seems to have an even stronger meaning than how is usually interpreted. Especially for a prayer that starts with "Father of ours who is in Heaven". What does this translation inspire you? Thanks SOURCE: http://pagenotes.com/prayer/LordsPrayer.html http://biblehub.com/greek/4506.htm
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