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  1. Shalom brothers & sisters, I hope you are all well and blessed! There has always been a debate amongst believers about what salvation is. However, it seems that recently this debate has erupted more and more throughout WCF. This is not another post to add to that debate. Even though I have a view on this matter, I’m not here to share it. If I did, we would probably see 14 pages worth of replies, with the majority of them filled with words of bitterness, accusations and throwing Scriptures like bombs! Oye. Instead, this post is talk about the conduct of some people in these debates. I include myself as well as I'm sure I have been unreasonable in my conduct in here at times, to my shame. -------- Some say “Once Saved, Always Saved” whilst others say “We’re saved to serve God and obey Him”. It’s clear that these apparent opposing views cannot be discussed reasonably in this forum. It's understandably a sore topic for those who are unstable in their faith or easily offended. But let’s zoom out to assess this problem: If one person is so utterly convinced that salvation is THIS way and another one that it’s THAT way, what are we to say? Well, if each person on each side of the argument has a relationship with Yahweh, and are blessed with His Spirit AND produce fruit of the Spirit, then let each one be as they are! The Lord has accepted them. What, is it not possible for Yahweh to reveal His Gift of Salvation in different ways to different people, with a different emphasis as appropriate? Or are we, humans, to box in Yahweh’s methods? Consider this writing from the Apostle Paul: “In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for special purposes and some for common use. Those who cleanse themselves from the latter will be instruments for special purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.” ~ 2 Timothy 2:20-21 I’m not saying which side of this salvation argument the “special purposes” applies to. Rather, it’s to highlight that there WILL be differences within the Lord’s House. Some will be separated for special purposes and some for common use. But all have a need and a purpose. Paul continues and writes: “And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.” ~ 2 Timothy 2:24-26 So, if we feel we should correct others, we should do so with peace, gentleness and in hope. Many in the forum struggle to do this or even engage in conversation with an open mind. They seem to prefer a position of power, assuming they are 100% right, with no need of correction, but are fully informed of the Way of the Lord Jesus. So, what can we do when both sides are so fully convinced and unable to reason with each other? Paul in Romans writes: “Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.” ~ Romans 14:4-10 Therefore, should we not accept each other and our differences, even as the Lord accepted us all? Are we wiser than God in sifting through His servants to decide who truly understands Him and His ways? Aren’t you ultimately limited in your thinking, love and experience compared to our God? If a person wants to share their understanding of salvation, fine, welcome them lovingly! Consider their words carefully and thoughtfully and respond with love and peace. BUT, if they share with aggressiveness, closed-mindedness, or with a finality (as if they were a prophet) - then let them be, don’t encourage them with a response. Their foolishness will be revealed for all to see, along with their lack of fruit of the Spirit. Don’t entertain their folly or let their quarrelsome path draw you into their error. Remember, in all things to be conscious of your words, lest they only serve as sentiments you need to repent of one day. To those who feel lead to share such things, even if your intention is honourable, caring and loving but your execution is contrary to those values - It’s all been for nothing! You have lost the argument in ways you didn't imagine - even if you are, factually, correct. Forget “winning” a debate, and instead pursue love and peace within our family. Conclusion: If you can't drop your attitude, then drop the debate. You're anonymity on here is no cover to be disrespectful or rude. You're “wealth of knowledge” or “years of studying” is no license to judge a servant the Master has accepted. Love & Shalom
  2. With all the talk about OSAS and Legalism and Repenting and all this STUFF......... I thought it would be a good idea to show you an idea of how to think about salvation so that its really made to be understood ....as so very simple. Here we go.. Adam had the righteousness of God. He was made this way....(let us make man in our image....same as us, regarding spirituality)........Adam had God's Spirit in him. He was "righteous"......exactly like God. When he disobeyed, ate the apple...... He lost his Righteousness...and he spiritually died. ..He was no longer ONE with God, and had became "fallen"....or you could think of it as..,,,,, disconnected from God's Spirit and LIFE. Salvation is God reconnecting you to him, exactly as Adam was connected to God, before He fell. So, What had to happen so that WE who have this "adamic nature", this unrighteousness as our very spiritual SELVES........... what had to happen so that we could AGAIN be like the 1st Adam,= "sinless", "righteous? What had to happen, so that we could be reestablished as the same RIGHTEOUS, as the original Adam? Well, Jesus, the 2nd Adam, had to come and die, and give us HIS Righteousness, so that we are reestablished like Adam was spiritually..... before Adam the 1st lost his righteousness. See it? So, Salvation, is God reestablishing us, as the same RIGHTEOUSNESS, as Adam had before he fell. Its the same "one with God" in Spirit, that is our "born again" redemption. This is the effect of being BORN AGAIN......we are SPIRITUALLY remade the same as the 1st Adam before he fell, because the 2nd Adam, (Jesus), took our sin and died for it all, and gave us in place of our sin, ..his very righteousness. "the gift of Righteousness". So, this recreates us...(born again) to be the same as Adam was, SPIRITUALLY, BEFORE HE FELL. This is what Salvation does for us. This is BORN AGAIN.< blessings, <B><
  3. Gospel : Paul teaching = "preaching of the Cross". "we preach Christ Crucified"..."Jesus sent me not to baptize but to preach the Gospel".."faith comes by hearing this"..... So, all that, if believed by an unbeliever resolves an eternal issue...... What is the issue? What is God's purpose for coming to earth to die as Jesus The Christ on a Cross? What is He doing?...What is He alone solving, that all our 10 commandment keeping and holy lifestyle can never solve, which is WHY HE had to solve it? ? And right here is what is so often misunderstood, or not taught correctly, and this is why so many people who mean well, and love Jesus, or would like to love him, do not understand <>WHAT IS<> the actual reason that God came here to die. So what is that reason? The reason, is that keeping the law, the 10 commandments, and doing good works, confessing sin, and living as holy as we can, could not make us acceptable to God.. And here is the "catch 22".... It also can't AFTER you are saved. And right here is where "Legalism vs Grace" becomes the touchstone of constant fighting on forums, and everywhere else that it can show up where believers WILL clash. (Apparently this clash became such a long standing fight and fury on this forum that members here are barred from posting- fighting about it.) It is a fact and statement of the CROSS that the law and the 10 Commandments can't make you righteous, they can only show you that you are unrighteous., as that is the actual purpose of the Law, as well as outlining what God expects regarding our basic moral conduct & behavior, once we are born again. So, how can it be that half the body of Christ is trying to keep all this, all these works, and they believe that this is "keeping them saved". Whereas the other half of the body of Christ is trusting in Jesus to keep them saved. So, do you see the line in the sand? Its this " What is keeping you SAVED"....that is the minefield of theological confusion. THATS the fight. Legalism vs Grace. Its happening on every forum like this one, and its the reason for 5000 denominations that don't agree, and 300 bibles that don't agree. This issue started with Paul and his preaching of "justification by Faith" >alone, and he wrote the letter to the Galatians that talks about it, and explains it. 2000 yrs later, this issue of Legalism vs Grace is still a fist fight between "Christians". Here on this forum, apparently they outlawed the battle. Isn't it interesting to realize that if the 10 commandments, or lawkeeping, or living holy, could save you or keep you saved, if that were the truth, then Jesus could have stayed in Heaven and saved Himself some PAIN..... But ita not the case. Now im not certain what you have been taught, but i teach that you "present your body a living sacrifice" and you to "live holy as God is holy", not to save yourself or keep yourself saved, but because this is what you should do, and what God expects, .. because you ARE saved. The Legalist would argue that .."no, you do it to stay saved", and if you don't then you're not. I wonder, reader, what you believe. However, keep it to yourself, as this is between you and God, tho make sure you get it right, as if you get it wrong and you are teaching it, then Galatians 1:8 has become quite a literal issue for you. So, leaving all that now, lets just look at the problem that God had to come here and solve for us, as to look at this, is to understand the reason for Salvation which is to understand Salvation. Our problem we had, before we were saved, is only one thing, one issue only. And God Himself had to solve it, because we can't. We are born, and we get older, and we don't have any righteousness. None. And so, God can't accept us, because we are UNRIGHTEOUS. This is "lost", "unsaved"....hellbound = we don't have any RIGHTEOUSNESS< as all of ours, are "filthy rags". So, in steps SALVATION... Down from Heaven God as The Christ arrives... The Cross has been raised.... As God bleeding out on the "tree" has come down from Heaven to give us HIS righteousness so that He can accept us, based on THAT.......and for no other reason will He accept you, or me. God, literally became a man, and died on a Cross, to GIVE US "the righteousness of Christ". (God's very own righteousness). And that is what salvation actually is....Its God coming to earth to give us His righteousness so that HE can accept us, as by giving us His very righteousness, this makes us acceptable to God. Welcome to Salvation. Salvation is only.... "what makes you acceptable to God"....and that is one thing, its GOD'S Righteousness, becoming ours. A born again person, has literally BECOME "the righteousness of Christ", and Christ is GOD. To say that God's Grace is amazing, is really the least of what it is... How can you describe the wonder of God, dying to give you His righteousness in place of your unrighteousness, as a free Gift? Is there a word that can even claim to honor this spiritual transaction enough? Just one. LOVE. Agape` Love. God is LOVE.
  4. Lets define "legalism" as defined by Paul, as Webster is not using the NT as context. "Legalism" is Galatians 1:8 ""there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. [8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let them be accursed. """" Notice that Legalism, taught or preached, "perverts" the Gospel. It subverts the Blood Atonement. It actually attacks the Cross, by denying Jesus full credit do for saving you and keeping you saved. It offends God, and that is why he curses the person and the message. Legalism, is the teaching that "faith + works" is what saves you and keeps you saved. And this "gospel" is a perversion of the truth. Its actually a denial of the Lord's words..spoken from the Cross = "it is Finished"....meaning The Blood Atonement.....Salvation. Let me explain it more clearly.... This verse is referring to a person (Legalist) who is preaching a gospel that is a blend of Jesus, the Cross, and their Works. (commandment keeping, enduring to the end, holding onto their faith.....etc, etc, etc.) Legalism, a Legalist, will give lip service, = a false presentation of the Gospel. And the way they always do it, is by adding 10 commandment keeping, and lifestyle, as a PART of the Blood Atonement. In other words, the Legalist, who is usually not actually born again, but is very apt at speaking "christianese", and uses bible verses, and goes to different Christian fourms to annoy and create chaos......will always defend the LAW and 10 Commandments as "necessary" to be saved, instead of giving FULL CREDIT DUE, to the One who died on the Cross, who HIMSELF is Grace and Salvation. Here is how you spot a lying legalist on a Christian forum. Its so easy. THis is how they "sound". "Yes, i know that Christ is the savior......BUT". "yes, i know that Jesus saves......BUT" See that "but"? That is the sign of the Legalist. They can never EVER agree that Jesus and the Blood of Christ is all that God accepts to save you and keep you saved. They can't agree with this, because they do not believe it. A Legalist, will always, add WORKS, 10 commandments", TO THE CROSS, and then they will all add LIFESTYLE, as well.., as this is how they are "working out their own salvation". The gospel of the legalist, is "faith + works". The Gospel of God is "The Cross". See their problem? Its a BIG One. A legalist sounds like this when they teach or preach....>."""now we know that Jesus saves, but, you ALSO have to ..........1. 2. ....3. 4.. 40.....do all this"" See all that? THAT IS Galatians 1:8 THat is "cursed of GOD" theology and PERSON, because it is adding to the Cross, self righteous works, and this denies The Lord His full credit due, for Salvation. This offends God, who is Jesus on the Cross, and that is why there is a literal CURSE on anyone who teaches or preaches that ... "The Cross + Works, commandments, lifestyle" is the Gospel.....is Salvation. How do YOU discover if you have fallen from Grace, and you are become a legalist. ?? Very simple. You just answer this simple question. Q.) Do you believe that Jesus Christ keeps you saved? I didnt ask you if He saved you. I asked you if you believe that He KEEPS You saved? A Legalist is not being honest if they say yes, because a legalist believes that enduring to the end, keeping your faith, living a holy life, keeping the law and the 10 commandments, is what is keeping THEM saved., so that is why they preach this cursed of God gospel to others. So, be careful reader, as a legalist has deceived themselves, so, that is what they will also offer you. B
  5. The bible says that Jesus bore our sin on the Cross, so then, who are we to not believe it. ? After all, if we are born again, then we have now become "the righteousness of Christ", and Jesus "became (our) sin". 2nd Corinthians 5:21, and what is also amazing, is that its God His Father that "made" this all happen. Here is a pretzel.....God is Jesus on the Cross, sending Himself down from Heaven, to Die as a Man. In John 1:10, Jesus was "standing on the earth HE CREATED", = "God said, LET THERE BE", in Genesis....... and this is JESUS now standing on it, and soon He was going to be hanging between the earth and sky that HE Created with.... words....and Jesus is the WORD ..... made flesh. On the Cross, Jesus is not just dying for sin, He literally became sin. I'll show you somehting else that is pretty interesting, as maybe you've not thought this or been shown it before... You all know this verse...... "we are not UNDER the Law but we are UNDER Grace". In other words, the reason for the Law....is that the law shows us our sinfulness, as this is the purpose of it, which then leads us to the One who dies for them on the Cross, gives us His Righteousness......you know, (Salvation). But notice this.... our NT says that the LAW was abolished, being NAILED to the Cross. Colossians 2:14 Now this does not mean the law and the 10 C's are no longer behavioral lifestyle guides regarding our Christian Discipleship, sure...but what it means is that because Jesus fulfilled the law in our place, the law now has no authority to judge us as sinners. Remember, God's law does this, not Jesus, not God. This is why Jesus never JUDGED any one, He always said. "sins are forgiven", "go thy way"...etc..... as that is why HE CAME, whereas the Law can not do this, it can only judge you to be a sinner, based on ITSELF as it reveals God's morally righteous moral code. So, Jesus abolished the law (took away its power to judge us as sinners), which is why Romans 4:8 has to be understood fully or Salvation can't be completely accepted or understood as it is meant to be, in both cases. So, there is Jesus, dying on the cross, and where is the Law that is abolished and NAILED to the Cross with him?? Its nailed. Where? Its above his HEAD. He is UNDER THE LAW, on the Cross, DYING. And we are NOT UNDER IT< because He died under it for us. "You are not UNDER the Law but under GRACE , <. see that? = Because Jesus is UNDER IT, on the Cross. He took away its power to JUDGE a born again believer. His death FINISHED not only our Eternal Redemption, but it also forever eliminated the Law's Legal right to judge us as SINNERS. <B><
  6. Here are some thoughts you might consider, regarding "Losing your Faith"...... and if your bible is near by.......... Here is the reality... > Your Faith does not save you. God SAVED you through your Faith. Big difference. Vital Distinction. So, falling away from it after you are SAVED, basically does nothing but allow God and others to esteem you as a backslider. This person is a sheep who is off the main path but they are not a "LOST" sheep, as they were previously found by Jesus's Blood and redeemed. There are a lot of Christian sheep who are no where near the path of Light, yet they are all Children of the Light. There is no verse in the NT that says....>"ok, you fell out of Christ". And that is because you can't. You are "bone of Jesus Christ's bones, and flesh of Jesus Christ's flesh". "ONE"...>"In Christ". "As Jesus is so are the born again in this world".... right now. "seated in heavenly placed, IN CHRIST....right now". And a backslidden (Christian) says,"" but, i downloaded porn yesterday, and today i stole money from my mother's bank account, and tomorrow im going to fornicate with my stepson again after he's back from Church.""" And this person, who is saved, yet doing all this..... is going to suffer down here. Not today, as sentence against sin, "reaping and sowing", is coming...but it does not happen the day you sin.....but its COMING.... So this person is going to HURT for what they are doing........its coming.........."Sowing and Reaping". This is explained by Ecclesiastes 8:11 Its explained by the "long-suffering (Patience) of God. However.....Paul details it the same.. = that if they dont turn from their "works OF the flesh", repent..... and get back into the righteous walk, then they will "reap what they have sown", be "chastened of God" over and over, and if that won't make them stop, they will , over time, lose everything, except for their Salvation. Family, job, money, friends, lifestyle .GONE.....and then they will get sick, and then they will die. Romans 8:13 As THAT is the final result of SIN, (sinning), as a believer, and continuing to LIVE IN IT. Seems fair... But, what is also a fact, is that this born again person, wont suffer in eternity for those sins, because Jesus has already died for all of them, on a Cross, on Earth. We as BIBLE believers are to understand that in Eternity, in Heaven, the only Sin that God evaluates, to evaluate you, is the one that rejected the Cross. This is the unpardonable sin., as if you do this one, then you prevent the Cross from taking your sin,.....and you die "un-pardoned".....= the un-pardonable....sin. = Christ Rejection. This is actually choosing to go to Hell. Bad choice. See.....Its only a Christ Rejector......it only THIS sin, that is alone dealt with In Heaven, in Revelation 20:11. Great White Throne. Believers die and meet Christ because we Trusted Him on EARTH, but if you didn't, then you dont meet Christ as your Savior, you only meet the JUDGE who Sent Jesus here, and you Rejected Him. And now God will reject YOU.......= Hell .... = THE LAKE OF FIRE ! So, if you are not saved, and you are reading this... please do not reject Christ and meet God as you Judge. Please don't do that. Received Jesus, Trust in Jesus..... kneel at the Cross and receive the LOVE of God.... End up happy in Heaven, and eternally so. Down here, on earth, a believer's bad behavior is dealt with by THE LAW OF... "reaping and sowing". And God will also correct a born again believer, .. Hebrews 12:6...and will anyway. Most Christians have not been taught all this basic NT understanding, but, i just told you, Saints...so, if this is not what you have known before........now you do. The born again meet God as their Father. The unsaved, meet God as their Judge. On earth, all meet "reaping and sowing" for sin or "works of the flesh"..., so, be sure your deeds are not the type that are going to harvest a season of pain in your life. It will come for you, if you do. Your sin will find you out, and it will HURT YOU when it finds you. See, we as humans, we want to judge how WE see it. (self righteousness) But God's ways are higher then ours, as in as high as Heaven is from the earth, is how differently God's thinks and behaves, as compared to how we would try to do the same. WE, as humans, can't even grasp how a holy God would come to earth and die for the UNGODLY. So, that is why, many believers can't stand the fact that God's Grace continues to be the same, for people who are born again,, but who don't live a holy life. What we want to think about them, is that they deserve hell. Thats how we feel.... That's our flesh. That is how it reacts, against the Grace of God, at times. The more of a legalist you are, the more you will have these types of feelings and beliefs. The more you are like Jesus, the less of them, will you have. But God does not see it OUR way. He only sees HIS OWN as "through the Blood". Our flesh rebels at this........but that is not How God responds to THEM. They are His Blood bought Children, and He does not love them less because they are horrible people. He saved them knowing they would turn out to be rotten stinking Christians. But Christians they are, and to HIM they belong, as "new BIRTH", as the Blood Atonement.....decided this for them. To God, ALL sin is pardoned on the CROSS and offered as SALVATION. In fact, that He does not charge you for yours, as Christ has already died for them ALL, is explained in this NT verse. Romans 4:8. If you reader, have not studied this verse deeply, then you are lacking even a shallow understanding of Grace. And you need to study this one also..... Hebrews 13:9. AS if you don't follow that one, early in your born again "babe in Christ" experience, then you'll end up as a devout Legalist on a forum like this one at some point teaching Galatians 1:8. Really. So, sgain....about "losing Faith".... A weak analogy would be : a marriage contract. Say you are married, and your wife or husband hates you. Hates you......Despises you.....and wished you would die....they wish you were dead. Well, do their feelings and attitude and "heart condition" and "words" .... end the marriage? NO < because there is a contract that overrides their hate and words. So, its the same with the Blood of Jesus...It overrides all we do wrong, after we are saved, including what we SAY or DO. ""where SIN Abounds (in the LIFE OF A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN), .. GRACE more abounds". "God who began your salvation in you, will HIMSELF be FAITHFUL to COMPLETE it". Philippians 1:6 "Jesus is the author and FINISHER of your FAITH" Hebrews 12:2 In other words, you can't out-sin Grace. Many try it, but it can't be done. You can only "fall away" from it, and become what Paul is describing in Galatians. ""are you so FOOLISH< (that you use to Trust Christ to keep you saved) , but now you are gone BACK into the (flesh) worrying about the 10 commandments, and the law, and lifestyle, as the WAY you keep yourself saved"? You are FALLEN.......(gotten away from),........"Fallen from GRACE." This is the Legalist. So, understand that "holding onto your faith", is not principally different then keeping the 10 commandments, regarding its inability to save you or keep you saved. A person says......"but my faith is what saved me". And the NT says...."no, God saved you, through your faith". And Jesus said while ON the Cross, "it if finished". A believer says.... "ummm, well, ok, faith does not save me, it's God through the Blood of Jesus who SAVED me.....I see, BUT....what if i fall out of faith". ????? What if you do? What if you don't. This does not stipulate or control or condemn the redemption that has happened to you. "New Birth". "New Creation IN CHRIST". Faith does not do this, it only allows GOD TO DO IT TO YOU, FOR YOU, through your Faith. HE DID iT. ITS DONE. .... if you are born again. Ok, well, there are Legalists that hate this understanding. They will hate my entire Post. They hate it, because it does not allow them to feel they are saving themselves, and that of course, is their problem. Their legalism has replaced real FAITH In Christ ALONE... and so, Now they have resorted to faith in their faith, or its faith in their works.,, or both. This is Legalism. Legalism is literally a person climbing up on the Cross in their self effort to keep themselves SAVED. The legalist, has replace Jesus with > SELF Faith< (what i have to DO)... to TRY to KEEP themselves saved. Thats their issue. This is the issue of Legalism. Paul wrote all about this, in Galatians. Find a lot more about it there....... So, It really does come down to one realization. Its not what you trusted to SAVE YOU< but its what you are trusting to KEEP YOU SAVED.....is the issue. AS right here is where a legalist "falls from Grace", and into "self saving." This is why the legalist can't talk about the Cross, can't talk about Grace, can't talk about the Blood of Jesus with joy or deep understanding...... and how could they?... They can only talk about THEIR savior...which is themselves, trying not to "lose it"....and here comes their list of "do's and don't does to keep themselves saved. ...........10 commandments, overcoming, enduring to the end, the Law, lifestyle, holding unto their faith... and their "saving myself" list just keeps going and going, ........... And what is not on their list, is the Cross or Jesus or the Blood. So, that is the Legalist. They are "fallen from Grace". Grace no longer has a part in their redemption, in THEIR Mind, but in God's perspective these are just people who lost the light and pride kept it turned off . If they were born again, then this is unchanged.......and thank God for that. --- And one more about......." quitting faith, losing faith, ...." Lets say a Christian born again mother has a 2 yr old, that is kidnapped and murdered. So, they catch the person, and he goes to prison for life. But, in her broken and devestated heart, she is asking "why", Why didn't God prevent this.. ?? !!!!! So she says, and means it.... ="" I HATE YOU GOD. BURN IN HELL JESUS> DIE HOLY SPIRIT, .. I hope Heaven BURNS with the Angels in it SCREAMING !!!!!!!!""""" Now do you see that? You are awake now....right? Do you really think that God is going to cast HIS Child of God into the Lake of Fire for eternity....for those words, and that attitude? Is God's love unconditional ? Is the Cross weak at Redemption? Jesus, who is GOD, said that He is ""touched with the FEELINGS of our FEELINGS"". He knows exactly why we feel what we feel, and why we behave like we behave. So....no....this hurting broken destroyed woman is not going into the Lake of fire because she is literally blaming and hating God, and will continue to.......and may die this way, as a broken heart can kill you.........if its broken enough. And if she dies....then she'll meet Jesus, and there is her little girl."mama",, "mama". Talk about happy tears........ So, why does God Hating mama not end up in the Lake of Fire is she dies hating Christ ??? Because this person belongs to God.. She was bought with a price. Redemption is not a temporary solution. Redemption is an Eternal forgiveness. She is "in Christ", and "Christ IN this woman is her hope of Glory". YET....Christians have this idea that God is some sort of anemic, sensitive, can't deal with anything...... vengeful, lightning bolts, revenge seeking, neurotic, emotional infant. But the fact is, God is Love and Love is God's Grace, and Grace is the Blood Atonement, and this is so strong and so eternal, that you cant wash the Blood Of Jesus off your born again spirit by a bad attitude or a mouthful of Hate or a lifetime of living in the flesh. Salvation, is an eternal blood bought contract between the Blood of Jesus and your initial Faith, that results in you going to heaven to be with the family that GOD Joined you to, and put you in, based on THE CROSS.....ALONE. Its because.... once you signed up with Faith, God signed you up with His Eternal Blood. God , is Jesus on the Cross.....shedding His blood to bring you HOME AND KEEP YOU THERE. This is GRACE. Therefore, when you are "atoned for" by God's blood, (GRACE) it does not become voided by hatred, backsliding, or anything we do, and that is because it is GOD who created the means of the CROSS to accept us, and once He does......then that is the final answer. "Accepted in the Beloved". Now here is a little bit more for you.... So, "Faith, faith, faith"., what if i lose my faith". Ok, there is a unique answer for that question also given in the NT. Its in Romans. "Whatsoever is not of FAITH is sin..." So, if you lose your faith, you have sinned. And Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge your SIN to you....after you are washed in the blood of Jesus....so, the "lost faith" sin, is just one more that is under that blanket of Blood, ... all washed clean.. White as snow.
  7. Gospel : Paul teaching = "preaching of the Cross". "we preach Christ Crucified"..."Jesus sent me not to baptize but to preach the Gospel".."faith comes by hearing this"..... So, all that, if believed by an unbeliever resolves an eternal issue...... What is the issue? What is God's purpose for coming to earth to die as Jesus The Christ on a Cross? What is He doing?...What is He alone solving, that all our 10 commandment keeping and holy lifestyle can never solve, which is WHY HE had to solve it? ? And right here is what is so often misunderstood, or not taught correctly, and this is why so many people who mean well, and love Jesus, or would like to love him, do not understand <>WHAT IS<> the actual reason that God came here to die. So what is that reason? The reason, is that keeping the law, the 10 commandments, and doing good works, confessing sin, and living as holy as we can, could not make us acceptable to God.. And here is the "catch 22".... It also can't AFTER you are saved. And right here is where "Legalism vs Grace" becomes the touchstone of constant fighting on forums, and everywhere else that it can show up where believers WILL clash. (Apparently this clash became such a long standing fight and fury on this forum that members here are barred from posting- fighting about it.) It is a fact and statement of the CROSS that the law and the 10 Commandments can't make you righteous, they can only show you that you are unrighteous., as that is the actual purpose of the Law, as well as outlining what God expects regarding our basic moral conduct & behavior, once we are born again. So, how can it be that half the body of Christ is trying to keep all this, all these works, and they believe that this is "keeping them saved". Whereas the other half of the body of Christ is trusting in Jesus to keep them saved. So, do you see the line in the sand? Its this " What is keeping you SAVED"....that is the minefield of theological confusion. THATS the fight. Legalism vs Grace. Its happening on every forum like this one, and its the reason for 5000 denominations that don't agree, and 300 bibles that don't agree. This issue started with Paul and his preaching of "justification by Faith" >alone, and he wrote the letter to the Galatians that talks about it, and explains it. 2000 yrs later, this issue of Legalism vs Grace is still a fist fight between those who say they are "Christians". Isn't it interesting to realize that if the 10 commandments, or lawkeeping, or living holy, could save you or keep you saved, if that were the truth, then Jesus could have stayed in Heaven and saved Himself some PAIN..... But ita not the case. Now im not certain what you have been taught, but i teach that you "present your body a living sacrifice" and you to "live holy as God is holy", not to save yourself or keep yourself saved, but because this is what you should do, and what God expects, .. because you ARE saved. The Legalist would argue that .."no, you do it to stay saved", and if you don't then you're not. I wonder, reader, what you believe. So, leaving all that now, lets just look at the problem that God had to come here and solve for us, as to look at this, is to understand the reason for Salvation which is to understand Salvation. Our problem we had, before we were saved, is only one thing, one issue only. And God Himself had to solve it, because we can't. We are born, and we get older, and we don't have any righteousness. None. And so, God can't accept us, because we are UNRIGHTEOUS. This is "lost", "unsaved"....hellbound = we don't have any RIGHTEOUSNESS< as all of ours, are "filthy rags". So, in steps SALVATION... Down from Heaven God as The Christ arrives... The Cross has been raised.... As God bleeding out on the "tree" has come down from Heaven to give us HIS righteousness so that He can accept us, based on THAT.......and for no other reason will He accept you, or me. God, literally became a man, and died on a Cross, to GIVE US "the righteousness of Christ". (God's very own righteousness). And that is what salvation actually is....Its God coming to earth to give us His righteousness so that HE can accept us, as by giving us His very righteousness, this makes us acceptable to God. Welcome to Salvation. Salvation is only.... "what makes you acceptable to God"....and that is one thing, its GOD'S Righteousness, becoming ours. A born again person, has literally BECOME "the righteousness of Christ", and Christ is GOD. To say that God's Grace is amazing, is really the least of what it is... How can you describe the wonder of God, dying to give you His righteousness in place of your unrighteousness, as a free Gift? Is there a word that can even claim to honor this spiritual transaction enough? Just one. LOVE. Agape` Love. God is LOVE blessings, <B><
  8. Jesus is the Holy Spirit. God is Jesus, "God was manifested in the Flesh" = Jesus 1 Timothy 3:16 "God is A Spirit" is the verse, vs some phony bibles that say "God is Spirit", .. so, check yours.....becasue "A" Spirit, is a specific TYPE....Its a HOLY One...."Holy Spirit". See, there is an UNHOLY Spirit, the spirit of "anti=Christ", and then there a "A" Spirit, (God is A Spirit), that designates for you the literal and clear distinction between Holy and unholy....so, if your bible says...."God is Spirit"< John 4:24 then get yourself a real bible that says.. "God is A Spirit". Very important. And also check and see if your bible says..."GOD was manifested in the Flesh" in 1 Timothy 3:26, as if it says, "He" instead of "God", then get rid of this bible, as its flawed, and not literally accurate. A flawed bible creates a flawed Christian. Thats a fact. The Holy Spirit is the "comforter" and Jesus is the "Prince of Peace". The Holy Spirit gives you comfort, and this is the "God kind". Jesus said, "My peace , (MY SPECIFIC TYPE OF PEACE), This is the Holy Spirit)... The peace I give is NOT as the (spirit of the world) gives,".. John 14: 27.... because Christ's peace IS the Holy Spirit, The Comforter... which is a heavenly peace. THIS Spirit, is God's, and it is the One that "fills you", and it is the one that "indwells you" only if you are born again, as this is the reason you are born again, and this is why the NT says that "if you don't have the Spirit of God, ( Holy Spirit indwelling you) then you are none of God's", you are not born again, and you are not saved. Romans 8:9 The Peace of God is not "happiness" , its a deep wellness in the soul. Its a comfort that is deeper then feelings. Its supernatural. This is the peace of God, Himself, that comes to live in a person the INSTANT they "Believe on the Lord and you SHALL BE SAVED",= right then.....and this is why many cry and cry when this happens, because this peace heals broken hearts. This peace heals wounded souls. This indwelling of the peace of God, which IS the Love of God, fills the emptiness, and this peace replaces addiction, lust, greed, envy, pride, hate, with self control.... and fills the human heart with contentment. AS ALL THIS is the indwelling fruit of the Holy Spirit. ( Jesus the Vine into us the Branches) Its the "God Effect" that comes to live inside a born again Person. Its the "Kingdom of God" that enters you as you enter INTO it. Colossians 1:13 = BORN AGAIN
  9. A mystery is something that has not been uncovered or revealed. The Trinity is really not a mystery, as this is a misapplied definition that someone once used who didn't understand it, or didnt want to believe it, and it has sort of hung around Christendom, seemingly forever. Now then......The Bible lays out the reality of God's existence, generally, as 3 distinct aspects, yet as One individual whole.... So, here we go.... Lets take a look : First......Think of yourself......are you a spirit , a soul, and a body?......... How many is that?......Well, you are Tri-part being. You are 3 in One. Have you ever noticed the sun in the sky? The Sun: is Heat, Light, and Actinic rays. (ultraviolet, etc). That is 3 parts of the same ONE..... So, is that a mystery? The reason most Christians think of these type things as mysteries, is because we live in the natural world, we exit in the natural realm, and so, what we don't see with our eyes, = "mystery". "seeing is believing". So, God is 3. But He is One. ... Like this : Christ said that He is "In the Father", John 10:30 Thomas kneeled before Christ and said...>"my Lord and my GOD",..... and Jesus didn't correct Him. John 20:28 Christ said......."touch me not, i have not yet ascended to my Father and yours"........ John 20:17 The reason the Pharisees wanted to kill Jesus is .....1.) Envy. 2.) Legalism: Religious Spirit, and because Jesus said......"Before Abraham was...... I AM"....and this is Jesus referring to Himself "pre incarnate", as in Genesis 1, when He was not yet "God manifested as a man, in the FLESH". John 8:58 1 Timothy 3:16 So, we see that Jesus is talking about Himself (referring to Himself as God), before He was later come down from heaven as " God manifested in the FLesh"....... John 8:58 and 1 Timothy 3:16 Ok then, i wrote a simple and quick "Trinity" study recently that i'll now post for you to use if you feel like studying all this, that im posting for yuo Here is the rest.... - 1.) John 1:10.. If you read it, you'll read that Jesus was in and literally placed His feet on the World HE created. 2. ) Colossians 1:6 says that through JESUS, and by Jesus, all things were created. 3.) 1 Timothy 3:16 says that "God" was manifested, (was made flesh and walked among us as a Man) "" 4. ) John 20:28 says that Thomas the Apostle, upon first seeing Jesus after He rose from the dead , said... "My Lord AND MY GOD".... JESUS is the "word made flesh". God made all that you see, by speaking words. "Let there BE...... light, nature, creation, all of it"....>"Let there BE" is like saying, let there BECOME..... God spoke it, and it (creation) appeared. Genesis 1. In the beginning was the Word and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was/is God. So, there you have Jesus as the Word before He was sent here to die, being worshipped as God after He was sent here. That is God the Father, and Jesus as the Word made flesh = 2 Then add the Holy Spirit, the comforter...... = 1 2 +1 = 3 Three are "One", as Jesus says. "I and my Father are ONE"..... yet, they are each, one of themselves. "Trinity".
  10. I wanted to show you something, that might be a huge revelation to someone with a sincere heart, who has not realized an unfortunate fact regarding their own personal (Christian) belief system. Lets do the math. It works out like this...... What is your personal Savior ???? Let me show you a few worldwide favorites that wont work out, in the end.. ---------------------------- A person says......"we believe that salvation is the Cross, but that you can "fall away" and be lost. A.) The savior is always what YOU BELIEVE KEEPS YOU SAVED. So, in this case, the Savior to this person has become...>"not falling away". So, where did the Cross go? or, A person says.....>"he who endures to the end, the same shall be saved". A.) for this person, their Savior is "ENDURING to the end". So, where did the Cross go? or, A person says.....> "As long as you hold unto your FAITH, you are still saved". A.) for this person, holding unto their faith is their personal Savior. So, where did the Cross go? or, A person says....> "As long as i KEEP ON working out my salvation with fear and trembling, i stay saved. A.) this person is trusting in their lifestyle as their personal Savior. So, where did the Cross go? or, A person says...."As long as i dont apostatize or backslide, i stay saved. A.) This person is trusting in keeping themselves from apostatizing or backsliding as their personal Savior. So, where did the Cross go? Now see how that works? In all 5 cases the MATH seems good, but the end result is DEVOUT LEGALISM. This is Christ rejection pretending its the Faith that God accepts. Paul wrote the letter to the Galatians to expose it. The end result : is that all these types have "fallen from Grace". The end result : is that all these people have replaced the CROSS with what they are to DO, as their particular heretical method to try keep themselves saved.
  11. As ive posted many times on this Forum, ....the fact that Legalists (all live in the wrong parts of Hebrews, (Ch 6 & 10) ......Matthew (before the Cross),...... James, and the Old Testament. They are really quite unacquainted with Paul. If they were a student of Paul, who said, "be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".... it would be because they have been taught correct "Pauline Theology". If they knew anything about Paul, they would know that Jesus took Paul aside, and no other Apostle, and taught him "justification by faith", and 99% of the doctrine of the Church. So, when you are a student of the NT, you are a student of Paul, and from Paul, you learn "sound doctrine". If you have not been taught what i just showed you, then you are lost in the theological weeds, and that is why you have no idea about Grace, and can't even talk about it. You can't even discuss the Blood Atonement, or "justification by Faith". You will have no idea that Jesus is not only your Righteousness, but He is your redemption, and your sanctification and your justification, BEFORE GOD. .. In the EYES of God. If you are a legalist, all of this basic "Christianity 101" is Chinese to you. Its a language you dont speak or comprehend, and you will not be speaking it any time soon, unless you find someone like me to teach you, or you get away from whatever cult, church, or spiritually corrupted people who have led you into the dark..... and find the LIGHT. As, they will be happy to keep you right there with them in their darkness, for as long as you let them. Thats a fact, and i say this to you in love.........you need to find a way out of your heresy group. And to continue. If you are a legalist, then probably noone ever taught you anything about God's Grace, or How it works, or WHY it operates in the life of a Born Again person, the way it does. If you are a legalist, you have never been taught this verse..... and this verse is the first verse i teach a new Christian to memorize and LIVE With until they are saturated with what it means. Hebrews 13:9 This is a verse that the devil will hide from a Legalist. This verse teaches that you are to establish you HEART....with GRACE. And what this means, is that you are to come to a deep deep understanding of What Grace is, and How Grace Works......because if you don't, you will probably be led astray from theological soundness, and end up on forums ranting about "commandments" and "law", while you try to convince real believers that they can "lose it". Is that you? In other words, if you dont do what Hebrews 13:9 tells you to do, in the beginning of your walk with Christ, you will probably end up as a Galatians 1:8 Thats a fact. So, i want to help people who can be helped, and teach people who can be taught... (who are not so theologically locked into place by the pride of their self righteousness,) to understand Hebrews, and especially a few verses in Chapters 6 & 10 as these are the satanic goldmine for Legalists. Its their bread and butter from hell. Its their end game circular reasoning prison, that they all use when trying to reduce The Blood Of Christ to "working to stay saved" or "holding onto your falth to save saved" or pretending being born again is temporary, = "you can lose your salvation", they preach and preach. So, believers.... If you can get this revelation im about to give you, then it will help protect you from worrying about losing your salvation, because many will twist these Hebrew verses im going to rightly divide for you, to try to cause you to believe you can lose you salvation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Some rules. There are a few things you need to know, so that you have the theological groundwork necessary within you to even begin to understand this Book, and Chapters 6 and 10. And by the way, the book of Hebrews is to be avoided until you have studied much and are truly truly grounded in all of Paul's epistles, so that you become grounded in Grace, and the understanding of "you are the righteousness of God IN CHRIST". I'm not kidding. But, lets take a look at this, because, this will help you to at least understand what Chapters 6 and 10 are really all about. Here is your need to know list. : First, Hebrews are unsaved Jews. 2nd, Apostles in the NT are saved Jews who are able to do signs and wonders. 2 Corinthians 12:12 And this is important to know, as you will learn, in a bit. 3rd. "Signs".......are for the JEWS. 1 Corinthians 1:22 You have to understand that a spiritual gift, comes from HEAVEN. It is a Heavenly gift, and all Apostles could perform these signs (Heavenly GIFTS) that were for JEWS. 1 Corinthians 1:22 Now, all those facts, are necessary for you to understand before you jump into the Book Of Hebrews. Also to know...very important..... When an Apostle is writing a letter, he always begins the letter with a greeting. And from these greetings, we "rightly divided" their words to understand who the letter is meant for....as this gives us an understanding of it so that we don't misuse the letter theologically or doctrinally. And Hebrews, is the most misused Letter in the NT by people who say they are Christians. AS i told you before......Legalists, LIVE in Hebrews, a letter that is NOT addressed to the CHURCH. Get that. Very important for you to realize it. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok here we go. The Book of Hebrews, is not addressed to the Church. The book of Hebrews, is addressed to HEBREWS...these are UNSAVED JEWS. This is why the letter is not addressed to "the church". Now be sure you understand that.....as i keep saying... = very important to understand. Now, let me show you what happens when an Apostle is dealing with religious (HEBREWS) Jews, who are hateful, hate-filled, and antagonistic. Lets look at how this all plays out during and after this Apostle is preaching the Gospel to them. And remember... This Apostle is showing them "heavenly gifts", 2 Corinthians 12:12 as these unsaved HEBREWS have a right to expect "signs", as that is 1 Corinthians 1:22. So, this Apostle, does everything He can possibly do, and they still wont have Jesus as their Messiah, and it plays out like this in Hebrews Chapter 6 and Chapter 10. - - In Hebrews 6 and 10 10 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened who have tasted the (heavenly gift)... If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. "" ---------- Now Saint.....Here is how you rightly divided those verses. And i will use Ch 10 & 6, where unsaved Jews (Hebrews) are being shown the signs of an apostle (tasted the heavenly gift), heard the Gospel, and still refused their Messiah. There is a JEWISH Apostle, (perhaps Paul) who is preaching the Message of the Cross to Hebrews (jews) who are not saved. They are rejecting the message, rejecting Jesus as Messiah, and this Apostle is warning them of the consequence of Rejecting Christ. He ESPECIALLY explains in detail their rend result for rejecting Christ, when a "Signs of an Apostle" is happening in front of them.... 2nd Corinthians 12:12 (Tasted the Heavenly GIFT).... This apostle has Gifts of the Spirit and he has just let them see the signs, as "Signs are for the JEWS". 1 Corinthians 1:22... So, here you have a Jewish Apostle, preaching to Lost JEWs (Hebrews) and He is giving them the works....>Not just the Gospel, but "Signs of an Apostle", 2nd Corinthians 12:12... this is THEIR "tasting the Heavenly Gift", this is, them LITERALLY SEEING SIGNS....THE MIRACULOUS.. these Jews are seeing this... THE Spiritual Gifts this Apostle has, which come from HEAVEN...and these jews are STILL DETERMINED TO reject their Messiah, while seeing this JEWISH Apostle's SIGNS., and hearing him preach the Truth to them. This means, these are hard hearted hate filled religious Jews (Hebrews)....and that is why this Apostle rips into them...with....""" you are trodding underfoot the blood""... He is telling them....You are no different then your Father's (elders) who KNEW Christ was Messiah, and they spit on His Blood that was shed for them.... and they stood there at the foot of the Cross and told Jesus...."Come on down Jesus, you can do it right, .. isn't that right, MR MESSIAH"? That is what is going on here readers........and This APOSTLE tells them.......If you do this, as you are doing.....you have no way to be SAVED....as you have "sinned willfully" away your SALVATION.......= you have willfully rejected the ONLY ONE Who can save you... You are willfully choosing to be a CHRIST REJECTOR and ""there is no more sacrifice for you SIN", if you do this.........as Hebrews 6 explains to them... and to us. So, that is Hebrews 10 & 6. ..... That is a JEWISH Apostle, using signs, dealing with unsaved HEBREWS - Religious JEWS who have the same Hatred in their hearts that was in the hearts of the HEBREWS who wanted this......."crucify him......crucify him.......crucify him">... And Pilate told them that Jesus's BLOOD was on THEIR Hands, as he washed his in that bowl, and then turned THEIR MESSIAH over to the whips and The CROSS. These unsaved Jews in the book of HEBREWS are also "trodding underfoot" AGAIN, the blood of Jesus.....same as before, when their Elders did it, with Jesus hanging on a Cross as proof of their Christ Rejection. This Apostle, is comparing these HEBREWS Christ rejection, as exactly the same as the Hebrews who originally "trod underfoot the blood of Jesus", and stood there glaring their hatred at Him, while Christ hung dying.
  12. "Study to show thyself approved unto GOD", is the way God teaches you to "rightly divide the word of God". So, here we go. Lets do a bible study that "compares scripture with scripture". ----- Let tart with Ephesians 2:15 that teaches that the Law is Abolished by Christ//Cross. Then you can follow up with Colossians 2:14 which explains it again. Next, go to 2nd Corinthians 3:7 2nd Corinthians 3:11 and you'll read where the "stone" commandments, the law, are now described as ministers of "death", that they administer DEATH, (not life) and the "stone" commandments are obviously the 10 Commandments. So, you have all of this "abolished" on the Cross, in the FLESH of Jesus, as stated in the New Testament. Then, you have the verse that tells you that you are "no longer UNDER the Law" Romans 6:14. And also we are shown in Romans 3:21, that our Salvation - Redemption, (Righteousness) is APART from the Law, and not connected to the Law. Be sure to understand this phase....."our righteousness is APART from the LAW". This is because our righteousness is.. "we are MADE the righteousness of God > thru CHRIST". Be sure to realize clearly the word "MADE", in this verse... 2 Corinthians 5:21 Now, All this is simply teaching us, that before we were born again, we were being Judged by the law, but now we are not, because Jesus has abolished all this by His Blood and by His Cross. We are now "under Grace", and this means the law has no more power to judge us as sinners, because the Blood of Jesus has taken its place and this is explained in Romans 10:4, where you are shown that "Christ is the end of the LAW.........> for righteousness." Now did you get that part that says....."Christ is the end of the Law"? And who is Christ?......Isn't He God? So, when you want to be righteous, you have to deal only with the one who is THE END of the Law......and that is God, who is Christ. And here is the 2nd part of this understanding of How Christ as God has removed the Law - commandments, from us .. Romans 8:2......Which says that Jesus has established another and final law for righteousness, that makes you free from the law of commandments......which are described as DEATH. 2 Corinthians 3:7 and are not gone. 2 Corinthians 3:11 This new law that a born again believer exists WITHIN, "in Christ", is explained by the verse, Romans 8:2like this.. > through Christ Jesus, the law of the Spirit who gives life,....= has set you free from the law of sin and death. (commandments and Law). The law of sin and death is the Commandments-Law that no longer have the power to judge you and condemn you as UNHOLY, before God, IF you are born again. If you are not, then the law is still in effect, judging you as Lost - Unsaved, Damned, currently. John 3:36 Understand that The law (10 commandments) itself has no ability to do anything, but show you your sin and your sinfulness........as it can only JUDGE YOU as guilty before God, till Christ redeems you from the "curse of the Law"... Galatians 3:13 That is why it was created by God. To (judge us) = reveal our sinfulness, in comparison with God's Holiness. And its because of the Law, (commandments) that we understand that we are not Holy, and from this understanding the scripture tells us that what the Law is doing for us, is "become our schoolmaster that LEADS us or shows us our NEED to be saved... Galatians 3:24 ""Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." So, as you can READ, the law-commandments is not given to save you, its given to show you YOUR NEED to be saved by the SAVIOR, Christ Jesus. Understand? And the reason this verse says..."WAS our schoolmaster" is because its no longer in effect, to judge us, as we are "not under the law, but UNDER GRACE". The Law, is designed to prove our "fallen state"...and did...and that we need to correct this, Galatians 3:24 and that is Why God as Jesus The Christ came.....He came to correct our "lost condition" that is REVEALED to us by the LAW Galatians 3:24 that shows us what we are, AS COMPARED, to God's Holiness. Understand? Listen....its the law - 10 commandments -= that show you your lost condition, your fallen condition, your unholy condition. > Its PURPOSE. That is why God gave it to you. The Law-10 commandments is a reflection of God's holiness, that reveals to you your unholiness, and does this not to save you, but to LEAD you to the SAVIOR.........leads you to God's Grace, which is God on a Cross paying for your sin, so that He can Accept you if you BELIEVE...... And to be accepted by God, through the Cross, is SALVATION, is the GRACE OF GOD......is the Blood Atonement, is REDEMPTION. Galatians 3:24 shows you where you need to go to get SAVED. Now, were the confusion often comes in , = regarding the Law-commandments and how Legalists misuse it against Grace..... > A legalist believes that by keeping the law, (commandments) they are keeping themselves saved. They do not understand the purpose of the Law and Commandments...... Galatians 3:24. nor do they accept it, when they are told. So for the legalist, keeping the Law and Commandments, has become THE WAY they believe they maintain God's acceptance-approval of them. Paul, in Galatians says, that they are "in the flesh", and have "fallen from Grace". The idea of a born again person being "in the flesh", as it's explained in Galatians, is that they do not believe or Trust that Jesus keeps them saved, so they have "gone back", ... they have left their In Christ alone Faith, and are now trusting in themselves to stay saved, by keeping commandments and worrying about the LAW. Understand that Trusting in commandment keeping - law keeping... to be accepted by God, is rejecting (Grace) ... God's ONLY method for you to be accepted by Him. God's acceptance of a person is only through the CROSS... is "Grace"... but the Legalist has gone away from this, (fallen from it),(fallen from Grace) and they are now trusting in the self effort of commandment-law keeping.....as their way they believe that God will accept them, if they continue doing it, and this is why they only talk about the law and commandments on forums like this one. They can't talk about Grace, because they are "fallen from Grace". Understand? Paul teaches that this reverting back to trusting in laws and commandments instead of ONLY trusting in Christ to save you and keep you saved....(Grace) is to be "in the flesh". Now this verse is key......Galatians 3:3....>Paul is asking a Legalist....."are you so foolish that after you have been redeemed by Christ's Blood alone, (Grace) that you now turn from this and go back and trust the Law AND KEEPING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS to keep you saved"? (Fallen from Grace) See it? Most Legalist can't, and dont care to look, actually. Also... A born again person, OSAS... recognizes the 10 commandments and many other similar bible "don't do's", that we obey everyday, because we understand these are our boundaries, regarding our behavior., and when the bible tells us to "be holy as God is holy", then we understand that the Holiness of God, is shown as the 10 commandments, etc. So, living our lives within these boundaries, is wisdom, is protection. But what its not, (Keeping the 10 commandments and The Law) is NOT our Salvation or our Redemption. We understand Galatians 3:24 We OSAS, understand that we are "no longer under the law but are under GRACE", Romans 6:14 which means that for the born again, the 10 commandments and the Law are only our HOLY guidelines that we are to realize that God provided...= as our (Christian Discipleship) lifestyle - behavioral boundaries... = They are not able to redeem us, but they protect us from the consequences of living outside them. So, we don't. Finally... So, what is the difference in interpretation between someone who understands Grace, OSAS.... and someone who does not understand it, or has fallen from it, the Legalist, when both think about and recognize the Law and the 10 Commandments. ?>?? Well, the OSAS, understands that we are to realize and obey the 10 commandments ONLY as our behavioral boundaries... our Lifestyle boundary.......and to live outside them, to break them by our behavior, is to harm our lives and this also displease God. But, we understand that these same 10 commandments and other Laws, have no power to redeem us, or make us right with God, or keep us saved. OSAS, understands and BELIEVES that = Only the shed Blood of God as Jesus on the Cross has the power to save, to keep you saved, and to cleanse you from all your sin, continually. This is Redemption, and the Law and the 10 Commandments, can't ever do this.....not ever. The Legalist, on the other hand, keeps the law and 10 commandments, for all of those same LIFESTYLE reasons, but they also trust these laws and commandments as their way to be SAVED and to Stay saved, instead of ONLY trusting in Christ alone for Redemption. Understand that if you don't also trust Christ and Christ alone to keep you saved, then you are not trusting in Christ, at all.
  13. Maybe someone reading this is not so happy, and needs a hug. So, If i might give you some thoughts that could possibly be a new set of "new eyes" for you. First, life is hard. Its difficult. Life tends to be a test that just keeps on testing, and it can be so tiring. At one point the Apostle Paul was just sick of it all, and wanted to go and be with Jesus and the Father and the Saints and the Host of Heaven, but He decided to stay here instead as He knew it was "More needful"..really mattered that He stayed, as the "Church" was still brand new and needed Him so much. But Paul was tired of "life".....the grind...and so, also there is this fact.. "Jesus is touched with the feelings of our sad feelings". He lived here as a Man, God became ONE OF US.....and so He understands exactly how it feels to be in this world and in this Life. Your NT says something that you'll probably never hear a preacher preach, but i'll tell you. It says that "Jesus learned obedience by the things He SUFFERED"... down here. And that is Jesus the MAN, being on this earth, dealing with LIFE< just like we do, and that is why He is so filled with compassion for us always......that he understands exactly what makes us feel, what we feel. I live in Israel, and i live sometimes in the States, and ive walked where The Lord has walked, and its HOT in the SUMMER where He always had to walk, where he LEARNED all about TIRED and Thirsty. Jesus is touched with the feelings we feel, my brothers and my sisters. Jesus KNOWS your NAME. God KNOWS your NAME. Everything we feel,......= God, as Christ has also felt, yet without sinning. And because God is touched by our grief and our pain and our frustrations......we should come to understand that He understands us perfectly when we pray, and He is able to give us comfort where we need it the most. God gives us grace for LIFE...for these TESTS....regarding the fact that Life is a test. So, = When you need more Grace, when you need more help from God, then lean on Him more. Spend more time with Him,.... as His Grace that is His power to lift you up and out of tests and trouble, is more generous and readily available when you spend more time with Him. Really. You've heard this...>"god helps those who helps themselves"...? well, thats not really exactly how it works., tho it is true that we function within the natural and God functions within and outside the Natural Realm. It is true that we do all we can, then God takes it from there. Yes, thats true... Its true that God rewards effort, but its also true that end results we leave to GOD. So, when you want more Help, you give God more of you. When you need more help, then give God more of yourself. When you give Him all of you.......ahhh, there is the final answer, isn't it? Works every time. So its more true to say..>"God helps those who need more help from Him". Thats actually how Christianity works, for our benefit. When we are WEAK, then God is Strong in us, for us, and through us. When we get down on our knees, then God LIFTS US UP. God makes something out of nothing, and the reality is, as compared to God, we are all quite nothing ....... And , ....everyone has seasons in their life that are not what we would choose, and we are stuck in them. Take heart, because, everything changes. Life IS Change...and whatever you are feeling that is making you unhappy.....It will change also, so be ready for the next.....as Life is always..the next and the next change, and for the Believer, we have God with us because He is IN US. So, no matter what, He will always work out whatever is going wrong, and recreate this for us, as a benefit. Every season of time we are going through , if bad, then God will make it a benefit for us....and if Good, then God will make it a benefit for us. All in time. God is really good at everything He created, and He created it all. 3 specific things He really does well are : 1.) Redeem the lost for eternity with the Blood of His Son. 2.) Change hard circumstances in our personal lives that we need Him to RESOLVE so that we can have peace again, and hope again, and LIFE again. 3.) Making our dreams a reality. He is really good at all of these, Saint Your bible teaches that God "thinks on you"....This means He literally thinks about all of His Children. US. And you know this must be true... we know it is, because this is our Heavenly Father, who Gave His Son for us. We matter to Him....that much. And let me tell you......there is no love like His that you can find down here, as this is God loving you, and its not like what we find with our family, friends, wife, husband, children, pets. its better, its bigger, its wider, its deeper, its more fulfilling, and its eternal. God's love is truly unaffected by our behavior, and is always unconditional. God is Love. Also, we are all in it together, all stuck down here, as Believers, waiting for something good that is soon coming. What is coming is JESUS and us leaving this place with HIM. And we are all going to leave it, if we are born again. But the BEST News is, what is on the other side is not like this place. Its going to be SO GOOD., and it will NEVER EVER END. Finally, Let me ask you a question. Whatever it is that is keeping you from being as happy today as you want to be.. that seems so important to you today..... Well, in 1,000,000 ...On Million Years from now, you will be alive, and you will be with God and Christ and me, and all the born again believers here,.... and so...A million years from now, as you are enjoying God and all He has for us that we are waiting for....A million years from now, do you think you will care THEN about what it is that you are caring about now?.....Will it matter to you then? Will it matter to you.......then ? Thats something to consider, anytime you find the cares of this life are causing you some pain.
  14. The reality is........The Blood of Christ has already cleansed our Sin.....all of it.....>Tomorrow's included. "Where SIN abounds...Grace moreso Abounds".... = means....when you sin, after you are saved, the Blood Atonement has already paid for that one ALSO.... It means that when you sin a year from now, on a Monday morning, just before you come here to argue about OSAS, and you sin....THE CROSS has already taken care of that one also. Realize the revelation that something that happened 2000 years ago on a CROSS, is still your Salvation 20 yrs from NOW ! If a Legalist could actually comprehend that you can't out-sin the BLOOD of CHRIST, that this blood, has actively and permanently SOLVED your "sin" issue, then what a happy Christian they would be, as then they could actually Trust Christ, totally., and not just partly, and then they have to work the rest of their way into heaven. This is why Jesus died for you. Its what He's doing on the Cross. He is Paying for (cleansing) our sin, from us, by dying FOR IT ALL. Amazing how many people who claim to be Christians can't even begin to comprehend SALVATION. Legalists don't understand that the CROSS is a completed work (Blood Atonement), so, they reach into the bible with eyes closed, and never care to learn or realize that not every verse is aimed at a born again believer. Now, for those of you who have not been taught anything about your NT, or your bible in general..... Scriptures in the NT, and OT< are sometimes literal, sometimes symbolic, and sometimes allegorical....in meaning. For example, "all who call on the name of Jesus, shall be SAVED"...is literal. But, "take this cup, as its the blood of the New Covenant"...... this can't be LITERAL, as Jesus's blood is still in HIS BODY, when He's drinking the cup. See it? ? A legalist does not understand that "where there is no law, there is no transgression".....as "Christ has ABOLISHED THE LAW"..... is in the NT, reader. Ephesians 2:15 A legalist, reads Romans 4:8, where they are told that God does not hold them accountable, for sin...(impute)....... and they just ignore this and run back to Hebrews, a book-letter not written to the CHURCH, but to UNSAVED JEWS...... and then they get lost in it. And why LEGALIST,..... does God not hold you accountable, in Eternity, for your sin that you do tomorrow and next week? A.) Because God already held Jesus accountable on the CROSS for them ALL. Understand? as this is so so important for you to understand. A Legalist will take a verse out of Matthew, given before Jesus was on the Cross, that is not NT doctrine for the Blood Bought Redeemed Church, and use this verse out of context to prove to themselves they can "lose it".(Their Salvation) A Legalist thinks they are in Christ, then fall out of Christ when they sin, and if they confess = do penance or whatever other deeds they can come up with, they get back INTO Christ. However, Christ has contradicted you, as He said "I will never leave you or forsake you"...so, "Christ in you, the hope of Glory", is a fact, that you need to start believing. A Legalist actually believes they are saved untill they sin, then confess, and are saved again, ... as if Salvation is a type of Yo-Yo, of sinning confessing, sinning confessing, sinning confessing.....up down, up down.,... kinda crazy, isn't it? And all of this confusion and chaos is not only the misunderstanding the Blood Atonement, its also not giving FULL Credit DUE to the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.... and that is the REAL issue, for the Legalist.
  15. Behold

    Focus help

    I wanted to talk to you about the Devil. Don't hear a lot about Him....... not in church, not on forums. Notice this? You'd almost get the idea from the lack of real discussion about this "angel of light", that he's basically a myth. But i assure you he's not. He's working behind the scenes and often from the pulpit, in the form of bad theology, 300 doctrinally watered down "new bibles", and of course, 5000 denominations that are all in perpetual disagreement, are certainly not God's design. See, when the Devil is working, there is always one sure situation, in play. "Confusion". So, let me show you how He tries to work in your life, and does. I'll show you his #1 operation, in effect, against you, always. Always. Its very simple. He is always trying to get your Focus off of The Lord, and serving HIM< and unto anything else. That's Job #1 for the Devil. Focus control. And why? Because what you focus on, is what you spend your time DOING....and your TIME is your LIFE. TIME is LIFE. So, if the Devil can steal or redirect your focus, He is now controlling your time, and once He has your TIME, he runs your LIFE........ Saint. So, Let me give you an idea. AS Compared to the time you spend on this forum, or that you spend Texting.... How much TIME do you spend doing this, vs, studying the word, praying, praising God, witnessing, helping others, or teaching a new believer about GRACE... Hebrews 13:9 ??? TIme is LIFE, Saint, and you have to guard it, so that you can use it wisely, for God. Guarding your heart, is guarding your Time. And how should you use your Time wisely for God? You answer this question(s)..... is how to find out. Does God have all of you? Does God have everything you have? Are you giving Him your VERY BEST? And you say......."well, im not a preacher, or a teacher, etc, etc, etc. Ok......but what you can do.....is more then you believe, so, does God have all that? Does He have all of you? That's the question. Does God have......ALL.......OF........YOU ???????????? Ask it inside your own heart, as you dont need to post it here, as that is not the point....is it? This is between you and God., as this is what matters. Just YOU and HIM. Ok, now, i will give you something to think about, that if you will discipline yourself to consider every day, it will have the effect of helping you focus your LIFE....towards God. Ok? So, here is the thought. You are going to die., and then this happens.. >"absent from the Body and Present with the Lord". That is going to happen to you, if you are born again. Count on it....Believe it, as you are headed there, and it could be anytime, as all of us are exactly one heartbeat removed from that Meeting. Listen......in your local Newspaper, you have an Obituary Page. And on it today, are the names of people, who, i promise you.... 1 day ago, never thought they would be found dead in it today. Saint, Hebrews 9:27 is not just a possibility. Its a FACT. Now, if you will , everyday of your life, just for a moment, consider that you are going to meet Jesus, and He is going to speak with you about something. Its this...."What have you done in MY BODY.. .with the TRUTH YOU WERE GIVEN, and that Truth is ME"........John 14:6....."I am THE TRUTH". Saint, .... Jesus is going to gently and lovingly ask every Believer, when we meet Him... what we did with our lives, <>for Him<>, (everyday) after we became Born Again. This is going to happen to each of us. And so.... if you will spend a few moments at the beginning of every day you live, from now on, till you are also found in that OBIT Page... you will begin to realize areas in your life where the Devil is robbing you of your TIME focus , that is actually constantly stealing your life AWAY FROM your Lord and your God.
  16. So, in this Thread, which is the sister Thread regarding the one i wrote to you yesterday, .. in this one i want to drill down deeper. Now, we are talking about "Legalism" which is not a word found in the NT, yet, Paul wrote an entire letter to the Galatians, that is talking to, and about, Legalism....Legalists. This means, that even early on, in the history of Christianity, you had the Father of Church Doctrine writing about Legalism, as this is an issue that is so common. Most of you know, that Paul, and no other Apostle, was given by Jesus The Christ Himself, 99% of the advanced revelation that the Church came to understand as "sound doctrine", and "Doctrine for the Church". So, its fitting that Paul would be the one correcting the heresy that is "Legalism" as this twisted theology has been ruining Christians and creating havoc for about the last 2000 yrs, give or take a day or 2. This heresy "legalism" is in direct opposition with "justification by faith", and so, we understand why Paul would say of it, that it is an "Accursed of God" theology, and cursed is the person who teaches it and preaches it......Galatians 1:8 Ok, lets find out who is a Legalist here, as this is another means by which you can begin to escape the mental process that has led to the theological breakdown that you have, if you are a Legalist. After all, if you are a legalist, you don't realize it, as that is the nature of deception. If you KNEW you are deceived, you would not be deceived....now would you? So, who is a Legalist? This is simple to understand. A legalist is anyone who believes that you can lose your salvation. This means that if YOU believe that you can lose your salvation, or anyone you find on forums like this one, who is totally devoted to no other pursuit then to try to convince you that you can "lose it". These are the enemies of Paul's theology, enemies of Grace, and the enemies of sound doctrine. And there is one other situation that qualifies you completely, as a Legalist. A Legalist......has "Fallen from Grace"...or another way to understand it, is, they-you, have left Grace, and are now pursuing self-righteousness. And again, what is "self - righteousness"? Its the belief and pursuit of "saving yourself" by deeds, works, commandment keeping, sin confession, etc........both before you are saved, and after you are born again. So, unbelievers and believers can both be "Fallen from Grace", but only a believer can be born again. And what is the principal issue that a Legalist is suffering from inside their mind and within their theology? Its very simple,...they are not trusting in God- Christ Alone TO KEEP THEM SAVED, and are themselves trying to accomplish this with works, deeds, commandment keeping, sin confession, enduring to the end, holding onto their faith"....etc. = ALL SELF EFFORT. So, a Legalist who is born again, started out trusting in Christ for Salvation, but somewhere along the way, they stopped BELIEVING that God and Christ will KEEP THEM SAVED. Then enters their "self righteousness", which is to be understood as, "trying to keep self right, with God, or working to make Self right with God". This is the same mistake, same Spiritual fail, as found within any other religion, as all religions have one thing in common, which is....."trying to connect with God, thru self effort". So, a Believer who is doing this, the Legalist, has fallen from Grace. Grace is the REALITY AND THE Understanding that God thru Christ saved you and Keeps You Saved. GRACE, IS Salvation. Grace, Is Jesus The Christ. Grace, Is the Blood Atonement Grace, Is Eternal Life. Grace, Is Redemption, Justification. Grace, Is Eternal Security So how does not trusting in God & Christ to ...KEEP YOU SAVED.. insult God and The Blood of Jesus? Well, realize.....that someone has to get ALL the credit for Salvation, and Salvation is not just having your Sin forgiven.....Salvation brings you into Heaven after you die, or are raptured. Salvation makes you an "Heir of God and a Joint Heir of Christ".. Salvation, "seated you in Heavenly places RIGHT NOW", Salvation has made you "bone of Jesus bone, and flesh of Jesus Flesh", Salvation has put you "IN Christ", Salvation has "translated you from darkness to Light, made you a Child of the Light", Salvation has given you "Eternal Life"", and Salvation has recreated your new Identity "in Christ" so that "As Jesus IS in this WORLD....right now...so are all the Born again", as "all things have become NEW", and that is including YOU, if you are born again. You're new ID is "In Christ"...Colossians 2:10, "Complete in God & Christ", and GOD expects you to see yourself as HE sees you, as these scriptures just showed you. So, all that is some of what salvation did for you, and so who gets all the Credit for making all this happen for you and to you, and that includes getting you into Heaven thru Rapture or death?,? A.) God and Christ. B.) Not you. So, its insults Both of them, when a person sets that aside (Falls from Grace) as ALL THAT IS GRACE..and starts pursuing works, commandment keeping, confession of sin, enduring to the end, Holding unto your faith", as your reason- means of, in your Legalist's mindset = Making your self right with God (self righteousness) to keep yourself saved. This insults God and the Blood of Christ when you do this...when you stop trusting God thru Christ to KEEP YOU SAVED, and you start believing you can LOSE IT, then start doing all sorts of works, to try to keep yourself saved. So, if you believe you can lose your salvation, then this means you are a Legalist who has turned-fallen from Grace, turned from trusting God to keep you saved, and in doing so you are now insulting God by trying to keep yourself saved. Now here is the verse that a Legalist refuses to believe, and by not believing it, they turn to works and worry and trying to stay saved by whatever means they can keep doing, and doing, and would try to convince you that you need to be doing, also, to "stay saved". Here is the verse.: Philippians 1:6. " BEING CONFIDENT OF THIS (FAITH) = God who began your Salvation IN YOU< will be FAITHFUL to COMPLETE IT". And that is not you, if you are a Legalist. And if you believe you can lose your Salvation, then you are refusing to believe this verse and trust "God who is faithful to complete your Salvation", and by your turning to your "self salvation" attempts, thru all that you are doing to try to accomplish it for yourself, you are insulting the very God and Christ that you say you are following. STOP !! And you are doing this because you have Fallen From Grace, and you are taking the FULL Credit for Salvation away from God and the Blood and Christ, by refusing to BELIEVE That God will complete your Salvation.....Keep You Saved . So, that is Legalism. Its the mental trap that creates a Circular belief system inside the mind that causes you to BELIEVE that you can lose your Salvation. A Legalist then starts trying to resolve this, by works and effort.. And THIS BEHAVIOR and Belief system take over and denies God full credit due for your Salvation,....... = by trying to finish your Salvation, when in fact, its already finished on the Cross, and will be completed by God, and is given as a GIFT to the World. So, Legalist, you are to live holy, and abstain from the appearance of evil, and you are present your body and life as a living sacrifice to the One who bought you with a Bloody price, and you are to always, be doing this. That is your Christian Discipleship... Thats on you. But you are to never set Grace aside, and the Blood Atonement aside, and try to keep yourself saved.. As you can't.......as only God can do this for you, thru Christ, and did.
  17. The good news is, Legalism is not a life threatening condition, but it is a spiritual and mental health issue. So, lets get right to it, so that if you have been infected with this heresy, you can begin to find your way out of its theological darkness. What is Legalism? Lots of Christians have random ideas about what it could mean, but here is what it is.......This is NT legalism as found within the belief system of any believer, who is a legalist. Its simply that they believe, that, the Cross and the Blood Atonement, began their salvation, but didn't complete it. So, they take it upon themselves, to finish their salvation by : Works. Keeping Commandments. Presenting an attempt to live a holy lifestyle. Holding unto their faith, in their minds. Obsessive confession of Sin. Chasing with their lifestyle some idea of what they believe "enduring to the end", means. Legalist's are trusting in and counting on their " religious behavior", to finalize what Jesus began and finished already for them on the Cross, which God gave them for Free, when they BELIEVED... ("Justification by Faith, without the deeds of the law") So, all of this SELF EFFORT, is denying The Blood of Jesus its FULL CREDIT DUE for saving them and keeping them saved. So, how did you get into this circular reasoning mind trap? Well, the main culprit is that you are involved with teachers and other believers who are also lost within this self righteousness maze, and so, because you are surrounded by them, you dont realize your situation. Let me now ask you a question. Do you believe that Jesus The Christ deserves FULL Credit, for saving you and keeping you saved? ????? If you said "yes", then why do you believe that you can undo what you can take not credit for, which is the Cross? Its because you have been taught to think of your Salvation as : 1 part Jesus... and the rest you have to do, to finish the job. You have been lied to, by people who also believed the lie. So, to be free from this..... what do you have to resolve within your belief system....what do you have to get the revelation OF, so that you can see what you have been believing, so that you stop giving the Cross some credit for your salvation, and your commandment keeping and works, all the rest? How do you stop taking some of the Credit for your Salvation for yourself, which insults God's Grace, and God's Son? How do you stop trying to make yourself right with God, by self effort, and realize and begin to trust in Christ Alone, now and forever, to be the only and sole reason you will end up in heaven after you die. ??? And THAT, is what you have to first realize you are doing, as until you realize it, you won't understand the depth of the insult you are committing against the very Blood of Yeshua. So, here is how you start the recovery. First.....you have to come to a full understanding of your position as God's PROPERTY, "bought with a Price", that has recreated your eternal Identity as, "IN CHRIST". In other words, you have to begin, TODAY, to see yourself ONLY as God sees you, and not as you see yourself, regarding your Born Again status. You have to learn to accept how God views you, and let go of how you see yourself. When you read....>"as Jesus IS< so are YOU in this WORLD".....you have to believe it. So... Start here: Colossians 2:20 "And you are COMPLETE in Him, (In Jesus)." Now do you see that word COMPLETE? Do you understand this word? Does it mean , partial, or, a work in progress, or nearly? ? And who are you complete in? And who is complete in Jesus?......= Its every born again Person......is that you? And why does the verse say you are "IN HIM"< as the context for "complete"? Its because this is your STATUS, according to God, as a born again family member of God. And what is it lacking, if you are COMPLETE?...... Nothing. And how is this verse to be understood, not only as your eternal "sonship" status, but also, your eternal Salvation, as they are THE SAME THING....... So, IF this verse tells you that you are not only IN HIM< but you are COMPLETE< in Him, "in Christ", then what verse explains how Jesus has become your SALVATION?....as Completed, as designed by God the Father? This verse : 1st Corinthians 1:30 ""But of God, are ye IN Christ Jesus, who of God is MADE UNTO US = wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption". Now do see this part of the verse....>"who of GOD, is made unto us".... Thats the key, as what this means, is that God has taken righteousness and sanctification, and REDEMPTION , itself, and MADE IT unto us". In other words, WHO/What CHRIST IS, God has "made unto YOU". This is SALVATION....This is GRACE.....This is the Blood Atonement, as they have recreated you as "The righteousness of Christ". This is who you are now, since the day you were born again, and for all eternity. In other words, it has become, by God's power through the Holy Spirit , not just a part of us, but US......... WE have become what God has "Made unto us"...... We ARE =righteousness, sanctification, and Redemption, itself. THis is what the Cross has accomplished for us, when Jesus said ::"it is Finished" "Let the REDEEMED of the LORD...say so." So, Legalist..... what are all your works, all your good deed doing, all your commandment keeping, as compared to what God Himself has ALREADY made you to be, ....as COMPLETED, In Jesus?
  18. Legalism, is Galatians 1:8. Its very specific, and here is how you should understand it. Its when a person's belief system regarding Salvation, is that "Justification by Faith, ALONE", means to them, that they must add their self righteous works TO IT.....to complete it. Legalism means, that a person believes that Salvation is the Cross + Their Christian Discipleship (Their Works)....... In other words, they pretend that The Blood Atonement is God's Salvation, but what they really believer and argue about and teach, is that the Blood Atonement, is only a part of Redemption, and their WORKS, and yours, COMBINED< is what God accepts to save you, and keep you saved. Legalism is the heresy that teaches that The Blood of Christ + Works, is Redemption. = Galatians 1:8 Legalism is pretzel logic, that tries to corrupt the words of James, in an effort to subvert the doctrine of "Justification by Faith", that Jesus gave to Paul, personally. Now, what is the NT idea - explanation, regarding "self righteous"?? Its that a person is trying, by their works, deeds, effort, and enduring, to make themselves right with God, either before they are born again, or they are trying to maintain their Salvation, by their works, deeds, effort, and enduring, AFTER they are already saved. So, what you need to understand, is that a.... Works + The Cross = Salvation theology, .....Legalism......is actually trodding underfoot the Holy Blood of Christ, because this person, this theology, is actually teaching that Christ's Blood is not quite enough, and that "works" are needed to finish the Atonement. Legalism, disrespects and insults The Holy Spirit and The Blood of Christ, by teaching that a person's works are in some way of equal value, and need to be combined with God's Blood shed on a Cross for Salvation to be completed in a person's life. = Galatians 1:8
  19. Behold

    Jesus <> God

    2nd Corinthians 4:6 : " For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."" Let us search the way this verse reveals how Jesus is God.... John 1:10 So beautiful. --------------------------- """For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness......"""" This is not only a reference to Genesis....."let there be LIGHT". But its a reference to and a description of Yeshua, who IS TRUTH, John 14:6....& came to this fallen (Dark) World He created, John 6:51 and shined and still shines, as the "Light of the World". Its also a statement regarding spiritual darkness, as the state of the fallen, defined as "the World", as they are described as having their "mind's blinded" by the Devil. 2nd Corinthians 4:4. As.... if you are mentally - spiritually blinded, then you are INSIDE Spiritual Darkness, and it is INSIDE YOU. The verse continues... "hath shined in our hearts".... Here the idea is, that The Truth (as shining) is being revealed to us, concerning Christ, who is the shining Light of the world. He is not "a" truth, but in fact Jesus is "THE" Truth. John 14:6 and continuing the revelation, (the shining)... and now explaining the "why" of the (shining) revelation.. = what is the purpose? "to give the knowledge".... as this is the reason for all "Light" that is given. Its to reveal and impart... Its a means to open the eyes of your Spiritual UNDERSTANDING.... as something revealed by the shining Light of revelation, is an opening into the understanding of a spiritual knowledge. This is the purpose of the shining of the light (revelation) into our hearts.... And what is the revelation? First.... That Jesus has been revealed to us, by our spiritual awakening. (Quickening). We have been given the revelation that Jesus is the Messiah, The Savior, The Son of God, who is the One sent from and came down from Heaven, John 6:51. and that Jesus alone is Salvation...."THE way". "i am THE resurrection".... "that you may KNOW that you have eternal life", as Jesus IS eternal life. The reason you have eternal life right now, is because you have Jesus, who IS Eternal Life. and foremost the revelation is to expose THIS Truth.... = "of the Glory of God......(where ?) .= IN THE FACE of Jesus Christ."""" And what is the Glory of God? Its His essence.. Its His Righteousness, ..... Its His nature..... it's His image..... Its HIMSELF, revealed as JESUS the Righteous, whose name...is HOLY., and Holy is the Lamb. They are the same. They are One. In the beginning the word was God, and God Timothy 3:16. is manifested in the Flesh as "I am". This is why when Thomas, upon first seeing Jesus after He was resurrected said...."my Lord and my GOD", and Jesus didn't correct Him, as why would God correct the Truth regarding Himself ? ??? So, THIS = is why you have this verse in the NT.....> "if you've seen ME (Jesus) you've SEEN the Father,""", as God and Jesus are mirrors of each other. Jesus is the image of God, the Face of God, the Grace of God, the Truth of God, The Blood of God, the Word of God, the Spirit of God, the Glory of God, the Righteousness of God, the Heart of God, The Love of God, the Forgiveness of God, and the Power of God. Jesus is God.
  20. Saint, If you've been invested, over time, on any Christian Forum, then you have come to the realization, that about 30% of the people who use a Christian Forum are sincere, and sincerely interested in learning more, growing more, and want to use a Christian Forum, for these reasons. But then, you have the other 70% who live on these forums, with no desire to learn, but only a desire to fight, create chaos, and if possible, create confusion within someone else's belief system, regarding their Salvation. And the worst of these offenders, are Legalists. And you need to protect yourself from their poisonous heretical bible twisting mania, as it can infect you, and truly harm your walk with the Lord , and more. Lets get to it. So,... Your New Testament explains that you are to "Discern", .. And this is related to life situations, personal desire, purpose in life, but it also means you are to do it with other people and certainly with other Christians. The scripture that supports this is : 1 Corinthians 2:15. Saint, being able to discern will keep you safe in life, and will keep you from being led into dark theology that many on a Christian forum would have you believe, to your hurt. Now, how do you discern if a person is a Legalist? Well, here are the classic signs..... First, this heretic will live and obsess on the Old Testament, and also on only 3 books in the new Testament. 1. Hebrews Chapters 4...6....10. 2. James 3. Matthew Next, this heretic will try to convince you that you can Lose your Salvation. They will be found on a Christian forum, or anywhere, trying to do this to other believers. They will start Threads, they will endlessly rant and post, always using the Old Testament, James, Hebrews, and Matthew. Pay attention to this. You'll begin to discern it. Next, they will always talk about works, commandments, enduring to the end, dead faith, holding onto your faith, and never will they be able to deal with Pauline Theology, or believe that Salvation is completed. They will never accept Grace without the condition of WORKS being added to it, to "keep you saved". "Yes, i know that Jesus shed His blood to save us....BUT, here is the rest of the commandments, enduring to the end, holding unto your faith, confessing your sins.....that you must DO< to STAY SAVED">.. Discern this Saint, as you will be hearing all about it, very soon. Now keep in mind that the Legalist, does not believe that God & Christ will KEEP THEM SAVED.....so, their entire Christianity is a bitter, joyless, self effort to do it for themselves, and this is why they are endlessly trying to convince you that you need to be doing it also. They believe that you can lose your salvation, because they find it impossible to TRUST that God and Christ, will keep them Saved. They read Philippians 1:6, that explains that God started their salvation IN THEM< and will complete it.....and they refuse to accept this, as they are convinced that they need to keep themselves saved, = "Self- Righteousness". They read Hebrews 12:2, that says that Jesus started their Faith and will complete/perfect it, and they refuse to accept this, and instead will try to keep themselves saved by "holding unto their faith". Understand, that Faith does not save you.. but rather God SAVES YOU thru your faith. Faith is not the Savior.....The Savior is Christ on the Cross. Faith does not save you, but rather God giving you His righteousness, and HAS, if you are born again, makes you acceptable to Him, is what is saving you, right this very second. So, i mention that you are to discern any teacher, and the best way to discern them, is to find out what they believe about Salvation, and in fact, if they even understand it. Consider that if a person does not understand God's Grace, (Salvation), then how can they understand anything else in a New Testament. As obviously, if you dont understand Grace, The Atonement, Justification by Faith, then how can you understand anything else that matters, regarding the New Testament, and "sound doctrine"? Our New Testament, tells us to "establish our Hearts, with Grace"...Hebrews 13:9 This means to nail down, what Paul has taught us as "sound doctrine" regarding "Justification by Faith", so that you are not led astray by heretics. Rest assured that if you are ever going to grow in Grace, and receive more revelation and New Testament understanding, then you have to study, not read, but study, Paul's epistles. And not just a little bit.... As this Apostle, is the only one that Jesus chose to personally give to you what you know that is "Church Doctrine" Everything that a real student of the word needs to know, that matters, that is the "main thing", "sound doctrine" "church doctrine" ...= you will find and discover by studying the words of Paul. Paul is the only apostle who told you to "be a follower of ME, as I follow Christ"... 1 Corinthians 11:1 IN 2nd Peter, Peter says that Paul's letters are "scripture", and equal to the Torah. (OT). Imagine an apostle saying that another apostles letters are equal to SCRIPTURE, the word of GOD. But that is he wrote, as that is a fact. This is why most of our NT< is composed by Paul. So, this is one more way for you to discern a Christian's soundness, and accuracy, and truthfulness, regarding what they believe. Notice if they are of the understanding that Paul's Theology, and His Epistles matter most to the believer, regarding understanding what God wants you to know, ...."sound doctrine"..."church doctrine". Legalists, have a spiritual blindness toward's Paul. They will twist one or 2 verses of his verses to try to teach you that you can lose it....but, they have no grounding in his Theology, are not familiar with his letters, and will never be, as Paul is the one that explains in Galatians 1:8 that they and their theology, are "cursed of God". And Saint, when you run into one of these, and they are foaming at the mouth to try to get you to doubt your eternal security, and they are only too happy to TRY to convince you that you can lose you salvation.....you remember what i have told you in my 3 Legalism Threads, and you can discern these heretics and protect yourself and your family. Now, its a good idea if you discern me. You should try. See, i have no fear of this, and welcome your examination. Here is what i do......I give God and Christ full credit for saving me and keeping me saved. I give them full credit for Salvation. I would not dare pretend that i can save myself or keep myself saved by my works, or anything that i can ever do, such as keeping laws, confessing sin, or keeping commandments, or enduring to the end, or any of this phony baloney, self righteousness. I know who the Savior is, and its not ME. I would never try to talk you out of your salvation, or cause you to have doubts about your salvation being completed, "in Christ". I would never have you living your Christian life, in fear, worried that you might go to hell if you don't do certain things and maintain a certain lifestyle. See, God didnt save you because of what you would or would not do LATER, after you are SAVED....He only saved you and keeps you saved because of what Jesus the Christ did for you on a Cross that has Redeemed you, for eternity. Thats IT. Bottom LINE. So, now, also discern my understanding of Salvation, as i explain it simply. The issue is RIGHTEOUSNESS. We dont have any, of ourselves, ours is "filthy rags" according to Paul and the book of Romans,.....and this condition that we are born into, is called...."LOST". "Lost", means, in Christian Terms, that our unholiness has created a disconnect and a division between us and Holy GOD. So, to solve this disconnect, and to build an eternal bridge between Himself and us, He offers a means, whereby we can have His very Righteous, for ourselves. And this Righteousness, is "Christ's righteousness". Without it, we are lost and bound for hell. But with it, we are delivered from Eternal Judgment , = hell = Lake of Fire. So, God wrapped Himself in Human flesh, was born of a Virgin, and Jesus as God and fully man, was manifested in the flesh to save us. 1 Timothy 3:16 "Save us", means, God as Christ lived a holy life AS A MAN, sinless, which resolved the issue of the Law, that was judging us as unrighteous and lost. On the Cross, shedding His Blood, ...God as Jesus the Christ, bore our sin's and removed the law from its capacity to judge us in eternity. Christ rejectors will face God as Judge, and the Born Again, meet God as their FATHER..."abba". God then, (as we hear the Gospel and believe in Christ), takes our sin and lets Christ die for it, and He takes Christ's righteousness, and imparts it to us, gives it to us, so that we become Born again, new creatures, and have now the very Righteousness of Christ, as OUR Righteousness. And from that moment, (born again) God never again imputs our sins to us....Romans 4:8, and we are "accepted in the beloved", we are family members, for eternity, and nothing can change this, because its all provided for us, and given to us, and kept for us for FREE. Philippians 1:6
  21. Behold

    Its All Yours.

    When you were born again, you became a part of God's eternal family. Your status, eternal, changed, from "hell bound, lost, unbeliever".... to Redeemed, Child of God, Child of Light, Born again, and also this......"joint HEIR with Jesus". So, getting your head wrapped around this eternal reality,....truly wrapped around it, is game changing, is path changing, is Theology Changing, is, life changing. Now....lets start with the word "Heir". This means, in the biblical context, that...> whatever Jesus is, and whatever God has, is all yours. All of it. This is why your NT tells you...>"""As Jesus IS, so are we (born again) in THIS world"""......not later, not just in heaven, but already, right now. You, the born again, have become this....."IN Christ"......and this means, "connected to, as ONE", with God and with Christ. So here are some verses to help you to grab this amazing status that you have BECOME now that God has re-evalauated your worth and family membership, based on the shed blood of Jesus The Christ. Romans 8:2....."God that spared not his own Son, but delivered Him up for US all, shall God not >with him< also freely give us all things...."""" Now, do you see that phrase?..... "WITH HIM"..... and why does this matter the most of all?.......It matters because all the promises of God are IN HIM, in JESUS......so, the verse is teaching you to understand it like this... "with Him came all that is now YOURS, because what He IS, and what He can DO, and what He Possesses, comes WITH HIM, and He is IN YOU< and you are IN HIM......."in Christ". This simply and wonderfully means that "all the good that comes with Christ....healing, revelation, joy, power, gifts, resurrection, eternal life, favor, prosperity.....all this comes WITH HIM as your SALVATION, as all this is a part of Him, and it is now IN YOU, because He is in you, and you are ... "in Christ". What is His, is YOURS.....and this will never ever change. Glory to God ! This is why you, the born again, are now titled by God a "joint heir' of ALL that Christ has, and all that God has......as it ALL comes WITH THEM, and they are IN YOU, and you are IN THEM. 1st Corin 3:23 says that "all are YOURS...(all they have)....because ... You are Christ's and Christ is Gods..."" We are "ONE"......"one body"...."one Church"..... Now, what this Good NEWS means for you.....is...........when you need help, when you need healing, when you need love, when you need light, when you need anything..... realize that because you belong to God, all that He Is, ....= belongs to you, just like it belongs to Christ who IS ALL of it.. And because you have Him "In Christ", and because All that He is comes with Him, then you always have free access, as a "joint heir" to ALL that God and Chrst ARE....., and that is why "as Jesus IS, so are YOU< (right now) in THIS World.""" So, grab this reality.....believe this truth......trust this with all your heart, and let this absolute wonder of God's Amazing Grace be your strength and your joy and your Faith.
  22. The reason a believer would not have eternal confidence that they are going to heaven, subsequent to (following) their Salvation, is because no one has truly taught them how to understand Salvation. See, there are a lot of ways to teach "Salvation", but there is only on True Way to teach it, and to understand it. To begin with...... many have the idea that Salvation is..... "i heard the gospel, believed it, and i trusted in Christ". Ok, thats true........ but how did THAT make certain that you are going to heaven?.........So, THIS is what so many of you were not taught, after you were born again, and so many find themselves going along for the rest of their born again lives pulling daisies and asking themselves....."did i lose it, .....did i confess it back........did i lose it again.........did i confess it back.........did i lose it.........do i need to go back to the alter for the 17th time and get "re-saved"....do i need to do a penance.... do i need to find a priest and tell him all so that he can make me right with God, again..........and so on, and on and on, and on, and on, on on on .....> So, lets just explain How God saved you, and then you can leave your salvation in His hands and out of yours, as you are incapable of saving yourself or keeping yourself saved. Philippians 1:6 Here we go.. By the time you were 17 you had long passed the age of accountability where you had become a sinner. So, this put you in a situation that we all face........"Ive sinned, and unforgiven sinners dont go to heaven to live in Joy and Harmony with God, for all eternity". So, immediately, we see the issue........The issue is not.. being good vs being bad, and the issue is not doing right or doing wrong...... The ISSUE is your SIN is going to keep you out of heaven.....Thats your issue, when you are LOST. And that is the ONLY issue that can keep you and God apart........And it WILL for eternity, unless this "sin caused disconnect" is resolved...... and you can't do this for yourself. Understand.......Salvation, is GOD dealing with your sin, FOR YOU, because He loves you. "For God so loved the world, YOU, that He GAVE"......... John 3:16 Now, all that is the REASON for Salvation....... As Salvation is simply the means and effect by which God comes into your life and heart and spirit and resolves YOUR Sin issue for you. And this is the "Grace of God", taking care of your SIN, for you....for FREE......as "Salvation is a GIFT". The "Grace of God" is God Himself coming to YOU to solve YOUR Sin issue that is keeping you and God SEPARATED. People who die separated from God, will stay this way for eternity, and "hell" is where you begin that existence. So, Salvation is God coming to you, to resolve for eternity, YOUR SIN ISSUE that has parted you from Him, and His family, and Heaven itself. Sin is your curse and God is your Cure. Sin is your soul sickness and the Blood of Jesus is the REMEDY. You have a sin issue, as your sin is ON YOU and IN YOU and you are being held accountable for it, John 3:36... and if you dont get this resolved, then as Jesus says.."you will DIE IN YOUR SIN".....and if that happens, you are going to go to hell, and not just there.....but eventually to the "lake of fire", and there is no getting out, there is no END. Hell and the Lake of Fire will last for as long as God LIVES......And He's an Eternal Being. Now, how is SIN resolved?........Its resolved by the application of SALVATION, that God Himself applies to you, so that your SIN, once and for all, is dealt with finally and forever. Lets get right to it now..... How does GOD resolve your SIN issue so that He can Accept you and for all eternity?. As once this has happened, then "Salvation" has been applied, rendered, and given to you from God Himself, which is an eternal situation. So, How does God resolve your sin, so that He can accept you, and not just for a few weeks....? 1. ) Simple.....He eternally replaces your sin with His Very Righteousness........"The Gift of Righteousness". "The Atonement". 2.) He removes the Law's power to judge you any longer as a "sinner", (Romans 4:8) and from this point, you are never viewed by God ever again as a sinner, but only as a "joint heir with Christ" and in fact a "Son/Daughter of God", and exactly connected to God just like Jesus. Now, i said i would keep this simple, but i had to write a bit of explanation, so that you could see what God had to take care of for you (your sin), so that by taking care of it for you (Jesus on The Cross), you could understand WHY Salvation has nothing to do with your behavior.....but Everything to do with God solving your sin issue FOR YOU, that disconnected you from Him. ----- So, moving along..... A little deeper.... God looks at us, before we are born again.....as the "adamic fallen", the sinners, the unbelievers, the LOST< and He had the responsibility to offer the only WAY.. (John 14:6) that you could be accepted by Him, back into His family, and for all eternity. How? God knows that to accept you, for you to belong to Him.... you have to be like Him........ And how is that?.....>"God's name is HOLY".......... That is how. He had to recreate you, (born again) so that you possess HIS VERY RIghteousness, as yours... In other words, YOU have to become, literally "the righteousness of God, In Christ", before He can accept you as His own.. So, what did He have to do, to GET THIS to you?.........Well, God literally had to become like you.... He literally came to this earth as Jesus, and OFFERS<>< FREELY GIVES you His Righteousness AS A FREE GIFT FROM THE CROSS.......>"God became one of us".....and He literally lived and met the requirements of His own LAW, and lived it perfectly, sinlessly....and then he took this to a Cross, this sinless - law keeping - perfection..... and sacrificed it (Himself) as a Gift to you and me. And Christ's sinlessness combined with the Sacrifice for the Sin of the World on a Cross, IS, Salvation as a finished "work of redemption" And here is where it gets even more interesting...... This Act of God, His sinless LIFE combined with His sacrificial Death on a Cross, is a completed situation, that exists... Its a living gift....Its alive....Its Power.....Its Redemption. It Exists for over 2000 years as a living OPPORTUNITY to have it.......... applied, for FREE. Now.....A low rent and pretty lame analogy would be.......... There is a Billion Dollars in the bank......and its WAITING TO BE APPLIED, Given.....to "all who would come". Salvation, is always there, waiting to be applied...waiting to be GIVEN. = This unconditional love of God, this Amazing Grace, that is God Himself solving the sin issue for "all would who come".......Is always there, waiting to do it for anyone and everyone who would turn from themselves, turn to the Cross, kneel, and say......."I believe, i receive, and i trust".. Faith : is Trust. Faith : is Trust. And when anyone offers this FAITH, their TRUST to God, ....He Instantly applies the gift of Salvation unto them, upon them, and within them.....once and forever. = Born Again. "Salvation". ------- wrapping it up time.... ""Salvation""......now simplified ........is........ God took the responsibility of your life, your eternal life, upon Himself. And to do so He completely resolved the issue of your sin, by becoming a man, and dying for your sin. Which....is offering you not only the freedom from the judgment due you for your sin by taking it upon Himself on a Cross.....but He also replaces your unholiness with His very Righteousness...... He gives this to you as "the gift of Righteousness", and in this way, you become "the righteousness of God, IN Christ", that He can accept, and nothing else will He accept. And how does He finally seal the deal?..........= He abolishes the law and establishes Grace in its place, so that only the BORN AGAIN are "no longer under the law, but under Grace", and by completing this final act, by removing from you (the Law) that can no longer deem you or judge you to be a sinner......."where there is no Law, there is no Transgression".... Romans 4:8.........He has stopped the LAW from having the power to judge you to be (by Himself) a sinner AFTER you are saved.. This had to be so, or the effect of becoming holy so that God could accept you, would be destroyed 20 mins after you were saved, when you did something wrong So, God took care of it all. He (became) took you sin upon Himself on the Cross . He replaced your sin with His "Gift of Righteousness", and then to make certain the Law could not judge you ever again as a "sinner". (Romans 4:8) God abolished the Law, and replaced it with Grace, so that your eternal life would always be secured by what HE did for you. "Salvation". <B><
  23. Hey guys I created a website dedicated to defending the doctrine of eternal security. It's called Link removed and one of its main goals is to give explanations for every bible passage that seems to show that someone can become unsaved. It's supposed to be sort of a Eternal Security Database or a Eternal Security Wiki. The website doesn't have much content right now, but I hope that in a few years the website will contain explanations for every "loss of salvation" passage. Anyone can edit the website and I hope Link removed will help anyone who wants to understand the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved better.
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