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I am starting this post to gather my thoughts together on, seeing as the other one is gone off on a tangent. And I wanted to Gather together what I have in one cohesive Post. The Following is a list of John's seven "visions" that he saw, upon which his chronology will become self evident, and no need to put parenthesis in the text. 1 The vision of the churches (ages) Approx. Rev 1-3 2 The vision of the seals Rev. 4-8:5 3 The vision of the Trumpets Rev 8:6-11 4 The vision of the characters Rev 12-14 5 The vision of the Bowls of wrath Rev 15-16 6 the vision of the battles Rev. 17-19 7 The vision of the Millennium and eternity Rev. 20-end Of these seven visions each is chronological within the vision itself, so for example seal one will come first, and seal two second. But each vision is distinct from the others. Each has a different start point, some 2000 years ago, some not until the final week of Revelation. The First vision serves as an introduction and stops at the beginning of the final week, the Last vision as a conclusion and starts at the end of the final week. The Other five end at the Day of the LORD. Of those Middle five visions, There is overlap in chronology, so for example, Trumpet five can be followed by seal six and trumpet six, But never will trumpet 5 precede trumpet 4. The start time of the visions are as follows. Dates are approximates. 1 Pentecost, 30AD 2 Resurrection 30 AD 3 Start of the final week TBD 4 At the birth of Christ 4/3 BC 5 At the sixth Trumpet TBD 6 At the fifth Trumpet TBD 7 At the end of the final week TBD This all could have happened immediately after the resurrection of Christ, But the 2000 year church age was the mystery that was inserted into the timeline of events. Some of these things like the seals were opened immediately, but restrained as acknowledged by Paul writing For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (2 Thess. 2:7) Thus for example the church has had to deal with things like persecution (seal 5), and pestilence (seal 4... think black plague) and False apostles (seal 1... Nicolaitans, Those who rule over the Laity) throughout church History, But they have been restrained from overcoming the church. Seal 6 and seven were never opened, because the mystery of the church age was inserted therein. At the beginning of the final week The Antichrist/Beast will be Granted Power to make war and to overcome the saints, which begins the final week. Continued Later.... BTW, You are welcome to comment, But I will not respond to your comments until after I am done presenting my full framework here.