"PROPHETIC MESSAGE to the USA CHURCH"

[jamie]

"PROPHETIC MESSAGE to the USA CHURCH"

-by Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj (-prophet from India).

Delivered to the church in St. Louis, June 2002.

Don't you believe any of the false prophets who preached to you

after 9/11 saying it was not a judgment of God.... Two days

before 9/11 happened, a dear friend of mine, a very saintly prophet

of God, was taken up in the spirit to Heaven. And while he stood

before the presence of the Almighty God, the Lord Jesus Christ

called forth for a mighty, powerful angel. He came and stood

before the Lord Jesus Christ. And a fiery torch was given to this

angel. As soon as the angel held the torch, he became enflamed

(engulfed) with fire from the crown of his head to the sole of his feet.

And then, the command was given to the angel, GO FORTH! And

cast this fire down upon the nations of the world. And the angel

and this prophet came down, and they stood in the mid-heavens.

And the angel told him, now see what happens. And the angel

took the fiery torch in his hand and cast down fires in several parts

of the earth. And when the fires were thrown, the angel told him,

From now onward, there will be bombings, fires and destructions in

many, many nations around the world. That (vision) was (given to

this prophet) on the seventh of September (of 2001).

On the eighth of September, when he was conducting a fasting and

prayer meeting in his church, the same angel came and stood by

his side again, and repeated into his ear, audibly, word for word,

every event that he saw the previous day. And the angel commanded

him, Now, declare to your church everything that you saw and you

heard. And with great fear and trembling, he shared what he saw

and what he heard. And they all prayed. Several days later came

the judgment upon America. It was not an ordinary terrorist attack.

If you read in the Old Testament, the five books of Moses, every time

Israel would go away, go astray from the commandments and laws

of God, the Bible says very clearly, God will turn her enemies

against her. The hornets and the wild beasts will be let loose to

come and create havoc in the land of Israel among the Israelites.

If God can do that to the chosen nation, the chosen people, how

much more YOU? God removed his protective cover, removed his

protective hand, because you constantly turned your back against

the Almighty God.

I was supposed to speak with you about the crucified life, as I

mentioned last night. But today, as I was here during the worship

service, an angel of the Lord came and stood before me, and he

told me to do something else. That is what is happening right now.

Exodus 34:5 onwards..."And the Lord passed by before Him and

proclaimed, The Lord, the Lord God, merciful and gracious,

longsuffering and abundant in goodness and truth. Keeping mercy

for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin. And

that will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquities of the

fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, to the

third and to the fourth generation."

Please observe the last part in verse seven, "visiting the iniquities

of the fathers upon the children and upon the children's children

unto the third and fourth generation. I came well prepared to

continue preaching on the crucified life. But as we were deeply

worshiping the Lord, I saw the chief prince angel over the nation of

the United States of America. He came and stood before me. I

first began seeing chief prince angels of nations when I went to

South Africa. That was the first time that I ever saw a chief prince

angel that is in charge of overlooking the affairs of an entire nation.

And he gave me a word concerning the nation, concerning the will

of God, and what God's purpose is for the nation. From then

onwards, for the many, many nations that I would go to, the respective

angels of those nations would come to me and give me a word for

the nation: what is God's word, what does God think about the

nation, what has been happening in the nation, in the churches, and

what is going to come to pass.

So when the angel of the United States of America came and stood

before me, I tremble and quake every time I see an angel of a nation,

I always tremble and quake in my heart, because of the awesome

anointing and authority they have. When he came and stood before

me, he told me, An awesome judgment is going to come upon

America very soon. An awesome judgment. When he spoke, I felt

a fear, a Godly fear running through my bones and my spirit. This

is not a judgment that would destroy the entire nation, but something

quite similar to what happened with the twin towers. But, it can all

be prevented, IF RIVERS OF INTERCESSION flow in the nation.

This is the word that he told me to speak.

And I saw, that if you will take this seriously and pray, a huge river

flowing all throughout the center of your country. If it flows - a river

of tears, rivers of intercession (and as the angel was speaking, I

saw this huge white river flowing from the east to the west)-- only

that would prevent this judgment that could come. And then I saw

this angel, where he was positioned and where he was standing,

guarding over the United States of America. He was standing

very near to where the Statue of Liberty is. A huge, gigantic angel!

If you read in Revelation, chapter ten, it is written, John saw an

angel so huge and mighty that one of his legs was on the earth,

the other leg was on the sea, and he stretched out his hand and he

reached to the sun. Can you imagine what a gigantic figure he

must have been? Probably as tall as the Sears tower or the former

World Trade Center. Such a huge, gigantic angel standing guard

over the United States of America! My dearly beloved brothers and

sisters, as he was speaking these words, he said this is the word

that you should preach tonight. And then I saw the heavens open,

and from the throne of God, this word came to me: Visiting the

iniquities of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's

children unto the third and to the fourth generation. The judgments

of God. Don't you believe any of the false prophets who preach to

you after 9/11 saying, it was not a judgment of God. I tell you, as

a non-American, and as a holy prophet of God, what happened was

a judgment from God....

You know, when I first came to America, in 1991, on the fourth of

July, your Independence Day, I was in a conference scheduled to

speak. As I was worshiping the Lord, I saw the heavens open

before me, and the Lord Jesus Christ stood there, and He told me,

"Now I am going to give you a word for this nation." Among the

three things that He showed me, they all have come to pass, but

I will tell you one thing that concerns you right now: I saw the flag

of America. -- You know, I have never seen a people like the

Americans, who love their nation so much, and who are so patriotic

about their great nation. That is good. When I traveled in your

country, I used to see these huge, gigantic flags that fly so

majestically in some parts of the country. I feel very proud, as if I

myself was an American. The same American flag, I saw in the

heavens. But instead of flying in the right direction, it was flying in

the reverse direction. And the Lord Jesus Christ was standing at

the flag and knocking on the flag. And as He was knocking, I saw

the words, LAST CALL flashing. Last Call was flashing and flashing.

Then the word of the Lord came unto me, "This nation -- the flag

that you see flying in the reverse direction is the heart of this nation

that has turned away from righteousness, and is walking toward unrighteousness.

She has turned her back towards Me. Yet, I am still calling her.

Last call, last call, last call. And for the three months that I was

in the U.S. during that period, every church and every conference

that I went to, I was commanded to share this vision. And ask the

American people to pray for your country. But you know, I was

very aghast to notice that the Americans, especially American

Christians, take very lightly such words, because you think that

the non-Christian Americans deserve God's judgment. You really

don't love your country. You think you love your country, but deep

down in your heart, you don't really love your country. You have

such a self-righteous attitude, thinking that the non-Christians

deserve the judgment of God, and you deserve Heaven. Don't you

think that when the twin towers came down, many Christians also

perished? When the economy of New York City came to a

standstill, how many Christians also suffered economic losses, job

layoffs. Thirty-thousand Indians working in New York City were sent

back home. Overnight, 30,000 Indians lost their jobs. They came

back home, among them, many Christians. They wrote to me for

prayer. When the judgment of God comes, remember: even the

righteous may have to suffer. When God's judgments came upon

Israel, and she was taken captive to Babylon, righteous Daniel was

among them! He was a captive. When Israel was under the captivity

of another foreign nation, righteous Jeremiah was there! Righteous

Nehemiah was there. The righteous saints also go into the captivity!

Don't you forget that. Don't forget that. You have been duped by

all the false teachers and false prophets in your country, deluding

you and deceiving you into thinking that no matter what happens,

you will always be protected. As a result, you are suffering from

spiritual lethargy, hearing only that which you want to hear and

switching off when you don't want to hear. You know, of you it is

written in the Bible, "those who have itching ears, only wanting to

hear pleasant words." My dear brothers and sisters, the judgments

of God are real. The countdown has begun.

You know, India and Pakistan came this close to an all-out nuclear

war. If the war took place, the whole of Pakistan would have been

wiped out. Four northern states in India would have been wiped

out. And the defense analysts predicted that Pakistan would have

been uninhabitable for thirty years because of the nuclear dust that

would be hanging over the country. The whole of north India would

have been wiped out. Nepal would be wiped out. Tibet would be

affected. They came this close to an all-out nuclear war. Somehow,

God spared us.

My dear brothers and sisters, if you read the Holy Bible, forget about

church doctrines, forget about vain traditions and teachings of men

who only want to bilk you out of your money. I am declaring to you

the oracles of God right now. From Genesis to Revelation, if you

read the Holy Bible, it shows very clearly two things: redemptive

judgment. God judges! Because He is a good God. From the

garden of Eden all the way up to the book of Revelation, you will

see these two themes: love and judgment. Not just love and love,

and bless me and bless me. This is how your prophets and teachers

are teaching you today. And they have not only corrupted the

American church, they are corrupting the Indian church. They are

corrupting the Eastern church, they're corrupting the African church

and they're corrupting the European church. It (unbalanced teaching)

has been exported!...

Many people teach, If you are once saved, you are forever saved.

That is a teaching from the pit of hell. Once saved is not forever

saved. (Technically, I do believe that, but not practically.) Not from

the viewpoint of God, because it is written in Matthew 24:13, "He that

endures until the end, only HE shall be saved." Enduring until the

end! Lot's wife did not endure until the end. As she was on the road

to redemption, she left behind her heart in Sodom and Gomorrah.

Her heart pulled her back. And she turned and she saw, SAVED

but then suddenly DESTROYED! Don't be deceived! I tell you one

more time with great love and all humility, don't be deceived that once

saved is always saved. Don't be deceived that just because you are

a tongue-talking Christian that you will be saved and caught up in the

rapture. Don't be deceived. He that endures until the end, only he

shall be saved. Look at the story of Nineveh. Jonah went there,

preaching. It took three days to walk around the whole city. For

three days, he was crying out, "REPENT! If not, then in forty days

you will be destroyed!" From the king to the animals, they all fasted

for forty days. They repented in sackcloth. God's heart was moved

with compassion. Judgment was delayed, but Nineveh was eventually

destroyed because she only repented for a season, like you (America).

After 9/11, the whole nation appeared holy and repentant for a season.

Now you are back to normal. You are back to your filth. You are

back to your corruption, you are back to your sins. You have forgotten

the repentance you did after 9/11. The vows you have made unto the

living God after 9/11, you have forgotten! The altars that you had

repaired after 9/11, you have forgotten! And they are back in ruins

again! The Scriptures say, "My Spirit shall not strive with man

forever." My spirit shall not strive with man forever.

Now come with me to the New Testament, in Luke, chapter nineteen.

The Lord Jesus Christ looks at the city of Jerusalem, His beloved

city, His own city, He has no other city except Jerusalem. He looked

at the city, and He beat His face and He cried, and cried and cried.

No one had ever seen the Lord Jesus crying like that before. This

was even before He cried at Lazarus's tomb. He was beating His

face, beating his breast and crying bitterly. Why? Because the

very people for whom He came, as the very personification of

redemption, they were going to reject the Messiah. And what would

result from that rejection? Judgment. The Lord Jesus predicted, "Oh

Jerusalem, you are going to be destroyed! They are going to siege

you around! You are going to be utterly destroyed! Your city will

be burned, you will become ashes!" He cried, like a mother crying

for her baby. Thirty-three and a half years after the Lord Jesus Christ

was crucified, Jerusalem was burned to ashes. Not one time, but

three times, the city was burned to ashes. My dear brothers and

sisters, did she repent?

[Leonard]

A powerful word.

[The Journey]

My dear brothers and sisters, if you read the Holy Bible, forget about

church doctrines, forget about vain traditions and teachings of men......

Many people teach, If you are once saved, you are forever saved.

That is a teaching from the pit of hell.  Once saved is not forever

saved.  (Technically, I do believe that, but not practically.)  Not from

the viewpoint of God, because it is written in Matthew 24:13, "He that

endures until the end, only HE shall be saved."  Enduring until the

end!..... 

Well....

Selveraj has combined poor exegesis with personal opinion and ends up with junk.

This is the modus operandi that we see over and over again.

My plea to the Body of Christ is Sola Scriptura! But....if you persist in wanting continuing revelation this is the garbage that you will get.

- Steve

[jamie]

My dear brothers and sisters, if you read the Holy Bible, forget about

church doctrines, forget about vain traditions and teachings of men......

Many people teach, If you are once saved, you are forever saved.

That is a teaching from the pit of hell.

[gypc]

Discerned..............this is correct and from God.

We need to repent!!!

In his love,

Brian

[The Journey]

Jaime,

The irony about your response is that yes it is my opinion. But then your belief that once saved always saved is from the devil is also an opinion. Selveraj's little tirade is just his opinion.

What is devious is when he elevates his opinion to the level of Holy Scripture. When he claims to speak directly from the mouth of God then his utterances take on the same authority as the Bible.

And you know....he just may be wrong. The security of the believer is a cornerstone of Mere Chrsitianity. He has condemned many men of God as agents of the devil. Do we really believe that John MacArthur has been spreading the "devil's doctrines" by teaching OSAS? Thas is just plain dumb.

Stick with the revealed finished revelation of God as contained in the Scriptures. It will save you from a tremendous amount of confusion as you grow and mature in Christ.

- Steve

[The Journey]

AND....Matthew 24:13 has nothing to do with losing your salvation.

- Steve

[John3;16]

Jami:

If you are looking for truth try searching the scriptures, the Lord has preserved his word through the centuries and they have all the answers that you need, there is no need for further revelation, the beginning and the end are already written and between the two the Lord has given us principles on how we should walk. The Lord does not want us to dwell on when he will return, that is why we don

[2bba]

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Edited July 22, 2004 by LCPGUY