Guest Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Are we in the thousand year reign of Christ? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted May 25, 2002 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 193 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1965 Share Posted May 25, 2002 When Did John Write the Book of Revelation? by David Vaughn Elliott Some believe that Revelation was written about 68 A.D. Others believe it was written about 96 A.D. Why the big difference? It?s a matter of "internal evidence" vs. "external evidence." But the issue is deeper. It is a question of what Revelation is all about. Although it is not the most popular view, there are those who say the book of Revelation prophesied the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. For this "preterist" view to be correct, John had to write before that date. Preterists find their proof in "internal evidence." A prime piece of "internal evidence" is the mention of the temple in Revelation 11. The preterists claim this mention proves the temple was still standing. However, this ignores an important fact. Ever since God rent the temple veil when Jesus died, that temple was never again called "the temple of God." The temple of God in the New Testament is Jesus' church (1 Corinthians 3:17). Â The date of the writing of Revelation is as well attested to, if not better attested to, than any other book in the Bible. The earliest and best known statement is that of Irenaeus, who lived about 120-205 A.D. In Book V, Chapter 30, Paragraph 3 of his famous work "Against Heresies," he says of John that he "beheld the apocalyptic vision... almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign." Since Domitian died in 96 A.D., that would put the writing of Revelation at 95 or 96 A.D., only about 25 years before Irenaeus' birth. If we respect the testimony of history--and if we respect the New Testament's own definition of the "temple of God"--then the book of Revelation has nothing to do with 70 A.D. Rather, it has to do with the fortunes of God's church from John's time to ours. Â _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2002 Share Posted May 25, 2002 Very interesting. I went and located the information for review and posted the site as well for you too, Jipsah. Irenaeus - Book V However, I never utilized the "temple of God" reference in Chapter 11 as evidence. I always felt the parallel between Duet 28-30 and the judgements of 6-10 of Revelations as well as the documented history by Josephus was enough evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jipsah Posted June 1, 2002 Share Posted June 1, 2002 Jipsah you have failed to prove that dispensationalists are wrong and yet you continue to bash them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanakila Posted June 2, 2002 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 400 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted June 2, 2002 Jipsah, your statement that dispensationalism causes someone to start plotting and using charts to figure out the time and the season is very broad. I am a dispensationalist by conviction and believe the Lord will return at any time for the rapture of the church, but I have never plotted charts or been so preoccupied with my beliefs to stop occupying till He comes. I am not going to start doing rapture practice or sell everything I own and move to a high mountain either. We aren't all nutso. I think the problem happens when people become preoccupied with prophecy (eschatology) and become unbalanced in their lives. Its not my job to point out these peoples lack of balance, but I don't listen to them or buy their junk (88 Reasons for the Rapture in 1988 is one I remember well). Seems if they really believed the junk they hock it would be free since they supposedly won't be here to spend the money, LOL. I just don't like being classified with all the nutso date setters out there. Not all of us are crazy. Check out Dwight Pentecost's book: Things To Come. Its very down to earth and shows the truth that  "we dispensationalists aren't all nutso".  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted June 3, 2002 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 193 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/28/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1965 Share Posted June 3, 2002 What really annoys me about dispensationalists Do they all annoy you? I've already enjoyed the 'preterist' experience several times... can't bring myself to suffer through it again. Please remember one thing: though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jipsah Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 What really annoys me about dispensationalists Do they all annoy you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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