Bold Believer Posted January 6, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,931 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/22/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/13/1955 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Right - so that's why I am wondering about "iron" in this case. Iron was a perfect representation for the Roman Empire. It was a very hard and harsh rule. So when Jesus rules with an iron rod, and the overcomers along with Him, what will that be like? And what does it mean for us in dealing with politics - if it means anything to us at all? Again: It meant righteous laws based upon the Word of God, not evil ones based upon paganism. When the Word of God is the basis for law in a country, the justice of that country cannot help but be righteous to the degree that the Scripture influences the law. This results in benefit for the people of the country. It could even cause some to believe in the Lord. It certainly serves to drive evil underground, if not eliminate it altogether. When persons of a criminal bent know that their evil will be met with swift justice, they tend to take it elsewhere. When they know that they will be mollycoddled and patted on the back and told how misguided they are, they will continue to do it, knowing the law is a joke and a farce. Men govern themselves based upon the moral principles of whatever god they serve. IF they worship pagan gods or false gods, the government suffers accordingly, and so do the people for having such a government over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 7, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.97 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted January 7, 2010 Thanks for responding, Bold - but I'm not so sure we are thinking on the same wavelength. Iron is thought of as harsh. When on thinks of an iron rod, one thinks of "do or else!" But as for your interpretation, why would the prophecies just not say "He disciplines with His word"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagwalk Posted January 7, 2010 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/13/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2010 My understanding of this time is during the thousand year rein of Christ. All world governments will be subject to his rule of righteousness. It will be a rule of righteousness and not party politics. This will really bother those who grate under his authority and why the devil will be able to deceive and gather many to himself when he is released for a season. This won't be for long though as he and all his coherts will be defeated and thrown into the lake of fire. Even so come Lord Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagwalk Posted January 8, 2010 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 115 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/13/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 8, 2010 Iron represented the Roman empire at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 8, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.97 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted January 8, 2010 It means he will rule the millinium kingdom with absolte power/dictatorship. So how does this coincide with our understanding of the Lord's mercy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Hey Neb, Ruling with a rod of iron typifies an intolerant reign. The Bible tells us that the Millennium will be theocracy where Jesus will rule from Israel on the throne of David. Torah will be enforced and the nations of the earth will come from Sabbath to Sabbath and from New Moon to New Moon to worship the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted January 9, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.13 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2010 My understanding of this time is during the thousand year rein of Christ. All world governments will be subject to his rule of righteousness. It will be a rule of righteousness and not party politics. This will really bother those who grate under his authority and why the devil will be able to deceive and gather many to himself when he is released for a season. This won't be for long though as he and all his coherts will be defeated and thrown into the lake of fire. Even so come Lord Jesus. That would be my understanding too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itocory Posted January 11, 2010 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 9 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/10/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1965 Share Posted January 11, 2010 I think the idea of intolerant reign or dictatorial rule is what is meant - but I heard it said that the rod of iron represents capital punishment which correlates nicely with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 11, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.97 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 So, how does this fit in with your understanding of Jesus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itocory Posted January 11, 2010 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 9 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/10/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1965 Share Posted January 11, 2010 So, how does this fit in with your understanding of Jesus? He first comes as a sacrificial lamb but then as a lion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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