Why America MUST fall

[MorningGlory]

That's so true. Religious "psychology" has diverted the Church from Christ and Him crucified to religious humanism.

Speak for yourself. My church is a Jesus loving, bible based force in our community. And we grow every day.

Yours is probably an independent, local church, fez. Here in the U.S. so many have become 'Megachurches' and have become more and more PC. They are run like corporations and are all 'inclusive'. That doesn't mean all of them of course. The church you describe is what a church should be; you are lucky to have one like that. I left my last church because of what it had become; all about activities, rodeos, movies, games.....heck, I can do those things at the carnival.

[BlindSeeker]

That's so true. Religious "psychology" has diverted the Church from Christ and Him crucified to religious humanism.

Speak for yourself. My church is a Jesus loving, bible based force in our community. And we grow every day.

I don't believe Parker was addressing anyone's particular church, or even referencing to their own self.

I relieve Parker was simply addressing the movement away from preaching against sin, defining righteousness and obedience with fruit unto holiness, towards the sedating of the conscious convictions of sin with a message of tolerance and acceptance.

God is not tolerant of sin, nor does He accept sinners without their repentance.

There comes a time when a nation has gone beyond the determine limits of God's longsuffering and enters into His judgment.

I for one will say that America has so done.

Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

[Exiled One]

When I read the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and other documents and letters from our founders, I truly see God inspired men. They wrote about freedom, fairness and equallity that can only come from God. History books can be changed or led in any direction of the times, but when you read a document that was held in the hands of the author you can really see what they mean. It's just like when critics say the Bible is not accurate and someone digs up another copy a thousand years older than the previous and finds that nothing is changed.

People can argue about America being a christian nation back and forth, what I know is that God's hand has been upon this nation and is now starting to come off and until we have some God inspired leadership and repentance, His hand will not cover America again. Remember Nineveh in the book of Jonah, they repented and were spared from God's wrath. Thomas Jefferson wrote," I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that his justice cannot sleep forever.".

[Exiled One]

When I read the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and other documents and letters from our founders, I truly see God inspired men. They wrote about freedom, fairness and equallity that can only come from God. History books can be changed or led in any direction of the times, but when you read a document that was held in the hands of the author you can really see what they mean. It's just like when critics say the Bible is not accurate and someone digs up another copy a thousand years older than the previous and finds that nothing is changed.

People can argue about America being a christian nation back and forth, what I know is that God's hand has been upon this nation and is now starting to come off and until we have some God inspired leadership and repentance, His hand will not cover America again. Remember Nineveh in the book of Jonah, they repented and were spared from God's wrath. Thomas Jefferson wrote," I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that his justice cannot sleep forever.".

[BlindSeeker]

These are the exhortations of God's word for believers, as well as the exhortation to all men who would walk uprightly with God in this world in the countries wheresoever they are born.

Ro 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Tit 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

1Pe 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God.

Honour the king.

These thing were written to the church at a time when the powers that be were becoming hostile towards the church.

However, what we do know, is that when it comes to being preachers of righteousness, proclaimers of the Gospel, we must obey God rather than men.

Ac 4:18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.

19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.

20 For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.

Ac 5:27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,

28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.

29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

What then is an acceptable scriptural foundation for the revolt of the settlers against the King of England that would keep the birth of this nation (America) from one rooted in rebellion to the righteous precepts of scriptures?

[BlindSeeker]

I must admit I am surprised no one has answered my question.

[Rick-Parker]

In that case, why don't you tell us? No one can read your mind.

[BlindSeeker]

In that case, why don't you tell us? No one can read your mind.

No, and I can't read your's either. That is why I asked the question.

For me, it's simple, you don't get cucumbers from tomato seeds.

You know the tree by the roots.

But I am still interested in hearing another scriptural view, so why don't you tell us yours?

[Rick-Parker]

What then is an acceptable scriptural foundation for the revolt of the settlers against the King of England that would keep the birth of this nation (America) from one rooted in rebellion to the righteous precepts of scriptures?

I don't know how to answer your question. Or even what you are looking for. That's why I asked for your answer to your own question.

[BlindSeeker]

What then is an acceptable scriptural foundation for the revolt of the settlers against the King of England that would keep the birth of this nation (America) from one rooted in rebellion to the righteous precepts of scriptures?

I don't know how to answer your question. Or even what you are looking for. That's why I asked for your answer to your own question.

What I am looking for is simply what was asked, "What is an acceptable scriptural foundation for the revolt of the settlers against the King of England . . . "

If I knew of a scriptural answer I would give it, but I do not.

But with the wide acceptance of many that this is/was a Christian nation founded by God, I would expect there would be some scriptural justification.

To me, this is the verse that describe America's conception -

Re 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and

the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Such is the way the dragon's kingdom came into being . . . rebellion.