Guest man Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 If the Book of Revelation is a symbolic prophetic Book, as is set forth by the Lord Himself, and is easily seen to be the case, as the Church is continually trying to interpret all the symbol's as this or that. Then the "stars" as a symbol, specifically interpreted by the Lord Himself, has to remain consistent, else wise there is no possibility of anyone ever understanding what is written. And we know that the Lord hasn't given us a Book that not decent and in order. It is the enemy that desires to cover up these things, not God. The serpent has been, "casting out water (twisted Word) as a flood after the woman" (Rev 12:15) for centuries. All the "stars" in the Book of Revelation point to leaders, either human or demonic. The stars that fall to earth in Rev. 6:13, are they human or demonic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdktlk Posted February 17, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 282 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/30/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17, 2011 If the Book of Revelation is a symbolic prophetic Book, as is set forth by the Lord Himself, and is easily seen to be the case, as the Church is continually trying to interpret all the symbol's as this or that. Then the "stars" as a symbol, specifically interpreted by the Lord Himself, has to remain consistent, else wise there is no possibility of anyone ever understanding what is written. And we know that the Lord hasn't given us a Book that not decent and in order. It is the enemy that desires to cover up these things, not God. The serpent has been, "casting out water (twisted Word) as a flood after the woman" (Rev 12:15) for centuries. All the "stars" in the Book of Revelation point to leaders, either human or demonic. The stars that fall to earth in Rev. 6:13, are they human or demonic? Human Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 If the Book of Revelation is a symbolic prophetic Book, as is set forth by the Lord Himself, and is easily seen to be the case, as the Church is continually trying to interpret all the symbol's as this or that. Then the "stars" as a symbol, specifically interpreted by the Lord Himself, has to remain consistent, else wise there is no possibility of anyone ever understanding what is written. And we know that the Lord hasn't given us a Book that not decent and in order. It is the enemy that desires to cover up these things, not God. The serpent has been, "casting out water (twisted Word) as a flood after the woman" (Rev 12:15) for centuries. All the "stars" in the Book of Revelation point to leaders, either human or demonic. The stars that fall to earth in Rev. 6:13, are they human or demonic? Human Do you believe that verse is connected to the one in Matthew 24:29? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdktlk Posted February 17, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 282 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/30/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted February 17, 2011 If the Book of Revelation is a symbolic prophetic Book, as is set forth by the Lord Himself, and is easily seen to be the case, as the Church is continually trying to interpret all the symbol's as this or that. Then the "stars" as a symbol, specifically interpreted by the Lord Himself, has to remain consistent, else wise there is no possibility of anyone ever understanding what is written. And we know that the Lord hasn't given us a Book that not decent and in order. It is the enemy that desires to cover up these things, not God. The serpent has been, "casting out water (twisted Word) as a flood after the woman" (Rev 12:15) for centuries. All the "stars" in the Book of Revelation point to leaders, either human or demonic. The stars that fall to earth in Rev. 6:13, are they human or demonic? Human Do you believe that verse is connected to the one in Matthew 24:29? It is, and it isn't. Revelation 6:13 is more directly applicable to Luke 21:25. Revelation 8:12 is more in line with Matthew 24:29 & Mark 13:25 as we understand the time lines of Revelation and the time lines of the prophecies of Matthew, Mark & Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 If the Book of Revelation is a symbolic prophetic Book, as is set forth by the Lord Himself, and is easily seen to be the case, as the Church is continually trying to interpret all the symbol's as this or that. Then the "stars" as a symbol, specifically interpreted by the Lord Himself, has to remain consistent, else wise there is no possibility of anyone ever understanding what is written. And we know that the Lord hasn't given us a Book that not decent and in order. It is the enemy that desires to cover up these things, not God. The serpent has been, "casting out water (twisted Word) as a flood after the woman" (Rev 12:15) for centuries. All the "stars" in the Book of Revelation point to leaders, either human or demonic. The stars that fall to earth in Rev. 6:13, are they human or demonic? Human Do you believe that verse is connected to the one in Matthew 24:29? It is, and it isn't. Revelation 6:13 is more directly applicable to Luke 21:25. Revelation 8:12 is more in line with Matthew 24:29 & Mark 13:25 as we understand the time lines of Revelation and the time lines of the prophecies of Matthew, Mark & Luke. Luke 21:25, Matthew 24:29 & Mark 13:25 are the same event. Wouldn't Rev. 6:13 and 8:12 be applicable to all three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdktlk Posted February 18, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 282 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/30/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted February 18, 2011 If the Book of Revelation is a symbolic prophetic Book, as is set forth by the Lord Himself, and is easily seen to be the case, as the Church is continually trying to interpret all the symbol's as this or that. Then the "stars" as a symbol, specifically interpreted by the Lord Himself, has to remain consistent, else wise there is no possibility of anyone ever understanding what is written. And we know that the Lord hasn't given us a Book that not decent and in order. It is the enemy that desires to cover up these things, not God. The serpent has been, "casting out water (twisted Word) as a flood after the woman" (Rev 12:15) for centuries. All the "stars" in the Book of Revelation point to leaders, either human or demonic. The stars that fall to earth in Rev. 6:13, are they human or demonic? Human Do you believe that verse is connected to the one in Matthew 24:29? It is, and it isn't. Revelation 6:13 is more directly applicable to Luke 21:25. Revelation 8:12 is more in line with Matthew 24:29 & Mark 13:25 as we understand the time lines of Revelation and the time lines of the prophecies of Matthew, Mark & Luke. Luke 21:25, Matthew 24:29 & Mark 13:25 are the same event. Wouldn't Rev. 6:13 and 8:12 be applicable to all three? In Luke that "falling" is sometime after the destruction of natural Jerusalem in 70 A.D., but there is no mention of a "great tribulation." The "falling" in Matthew is said to happen, "Immediately after the tribulation" (v.29) and in Mark we read, "But in those days after that tribulation" (v.24) There are in fact two "fallings" of stars that take place. But, false teachers and false prophets have these things so jumbled up that it has been extremely hard to see what is true concerning these matters and just what is God's plan "in these last days." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 In Luke that "falling" is sometime after the destruction of natural Jerusalem in 70 A.D., but there is no mention of a "great tribulation." The "falling" in Matthew is said to happen, "Immediately after the tribulation" (v.29) and in Mark we read, "But in those days after that tribulation" (v.24) There are in fact two "fallings" of stars that take place. But, false teachers and false prophets have these things so jumbled up that it has been extremely hard to see what is true concerning these matters and just what is God's plan "in these last days. These 3 passages have 2 things in common. The shaking of the powers in heavens and the coming of Christ. The wording is almost identical in all 3 passages. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Mark 13 24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. Luke 21 25 And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 mens hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Here are some other similarities. Matthew 24 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. Mark 13 7 But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet. 8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles. These are the beginnings of sorrows. Luke 21 9 But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately. 10 Then He said to them, Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. What you're looking at is the same event described by 3 different people with 3 different writing styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 In Luke that "falling" is sometime after the destruction of natural Jerusalem in 70 A.D., If the passage in Luke is making reference to 70 A.D. Jerusalem, then what you're saying is that Christ has already returned then left and will return again sometime in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdktlk Posted February 18, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 282 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/30/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted February 18, 2011 In Luke that "falling" is sometime after the destruction of natural Jerusalem in 70 A.D., If the passage in Luke is making reference to 70 A.D. Jerusalem, then what you're saying is that Christ has already returned then left and will return again sometime in the future. No brother, I'm not saying that the "falling" in Luke has anything at all to do with 70 A.D., and in all three discourses there are many things that are similar. The distinction is that In Matthew and Mark the "falling" is after the great tribulation period. Whereas in Luke the "falling" is in a period of time which the Lord describes thus, "and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth." (Luk 21:25b-26) This is not after the great tribulation, this is during or before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 In Luke that "falling" is sometime after the destruction of natural Jerusalem in 70 A.D., If the passage in Luke is making reference to 70 A.D. Jerusalem, then what you're saying is that Christ has already returned then left and will return again sometime in the future. No brother, I'm not saying that the "falling" in Luke has anything at all to do with 70 A.D., and in all three discourses there are many things that are similar. The distinction is that In Matthew and Mark the "falling" is after the great tribulation period. Whereas in Luke the "falling" is in a period of time which the Lord describes thus, "and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth." (Luk 21:25b-26) This is not after the great tribulation, this is during or before. What you're looking at is the same event described by 3 different people with 3 different writing styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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