Interpreting The Book of Revelation

[HAZARD]

The Opening Post says, "Interpreting The Book of Revelation."

There is a simple key to the book of Revelation that makes the whole book simple to understand by all alike. This key is found in Revelation 1:19 and 4:1.

The book is in three clearly defined divisions:

First, "the things which thou hast seen," that is the visions of Christ, as in Rev. 1.

Second, "the things which are," that is, the things concerning the churches, as in Rev. 2-3.

Third. "the things which shall be hereafter," that is, after the churches, as in Rev. 4-22.

To prove that everything of Revelation, from the fourth chapter on, must be after the churches, in Rev. 4:1 after he had written the vision of Christ in chapter one and the things concerning the churches in chapters two and three, John was caught up to Heaven and was told that he was to see the things which must be hereafter, that is, after the churches. If the things of Rev. 4:1 through the rest of the book must be after the churches, then they must be fulfilled after the churches and not during the time of the churches. This is proof that the rapture of the church must take place before the fulfillment of everything in Rev. 4-22. If we will take literally and consecutively the events of these chapters and believe that they will happen after the rapture of the church, nothing in the book will be hard to understand.

[sdktlk]

In Luke that "falling" is sometime after the destruction of natural Jerusalem in 70 A.D.,

If the passage in Luke is making reference to 70 A.D. Jerusalem, then what you're saying is that Christ has already returned then left and will return again sometime in the future.

No brother, I'm not saying that the "falling" in Luke has anything at all to do with 70 A.D., and in all three discourses there are many things that are similar. The distinction is that In Matthew and Mark the "falling" is after the great tribulation period. Whereas in Luke the "falling" is in a period of time which the Lord describes thus, "and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth." (Luk 21:25b-26) This is not after the great tribulation, this is during or before.

What you're looking at is the same event described by 3 different people with 3 different writing styles.

What I'm looking at are three different descriptions, given by the Holy Spirit, of events going forward from the destruction of Jerusalem to "the coming of the son of man." These three prophecies "fill up" one another just as in Daniel, with the Great Image and the four beasts out of the sea, as an example. I saw your post in the Denomination string where you said, "Any discrepancy in the Truth is to far." We must be careful not to accredit the Bible to the will of man, else wise we miss the importance of every word.

Back to our original discussion with respect to the "stars." I believe you did see that those stars are the leaders of God's people, or am I mistaken? And, if you do see that then we read, "Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen" (Rev 14:8) which is another witness to two falls.

[j102]

The Opening Post says, "Interpreting The Book of Revelation."

There is a simple key to the book of Revelation that makes the whole book simple to understand by all alike. This key is found in Revelation 1:19 and 4:1.

The book is in three clearly defined divisions:

First, "the things which thou hast seen," that is the visions of Christ, as in Rev. 1.

Second, "the things which are," that is, the things concerning the churches, as in Rev. 2-3.

Third. "the things which shall be hereafter," that is, after the churches, as in Rev. 4-22.

To prove that everything of Revelation, from the fourth chapter on, must be after the churches, in Rev. 4:1 after he had written the vision of Christ in chapter one and the things concerning the churches in chapters two and three, John was caught up to Heaven and was told that he was to see the things which must be hereafter, that is, after the churches. If the things of Rev. 4:1 through the rest of the book must be after the churches, then they must be fulfilled after the churches and not during the time of the churches. This is proof that the rapture of the church must take place before the fulfillment of everything in Rev. 4-22. If we will take literally and consecutively the events of these chapters and believe that they will happen after the rapture of the church, nothing in the book will be hard to understand.

where do you get the conclusion that the rapture happens before rev.4-22? it is talking about things that happen in the future from john's perspective. besides when Paul talks about the rapture in thessalonians he gave a warning not to be fooled, jesus return happens at the end of the trib and that is when we raptures his people.

[sdktlk]

The Opening Post says, "Interpreting The Book of Revelation."

There is a simple key to the book of Revelation that makes the whole book simple to understand by all alike. This key is found in Revelation 1:19 and 4:1.

The book is in three clearly defined divisions:

First, "the things which thou hast seen," that is the visions of Christ, as in Rev. 1.

Second, "the things which are," that is, the things concerning the churches, as in Rev. 2-3.

Third. "the things which shall be hereafter," that is, after the churches, as in Rev. 4-22.

To prove that everything of Revelation, from the fourth chapter on, must be after the churches, in Rev. 4:1 after he had written the vision of Christ in chapter one and the things concerning the churches in chapters two and three, John was caught up to Heaven and was told that he was to see the things which must be hereafter, that is, after the churches. If the things of Rev. 4:1 through the rest of the book must be after the churches, then they must be fulfilled after the churches and not during the time of the churches. This is proof that the rapture of the church must take place before the fulfillment of everything in Rev. 4-22. If we will take literally and consecutively the events of these chapters and believe that they will happen after the rapture of the church, nothing in the book will be hard to understand.

where do you get the conclusion that the rapture happens before rev.4-22? it is talking about things that happen in the future from john's perspective. besides when Paul talks about the rapture in thessalonians he gave a warning not to be fooled, jesus return happens at the end of the trib and that is when we raptures his people.

Your right, it doesn't happen before Revelation 4-20:9, it happens at the last trump (1Cor 15:52) but it seems we cannot determine when this last trump will arrive.

[sdktlk]

The Opening Post says, "Interpreting The Book of Revelation."

There is a simple key to the book of Revelation that makes the whole book simple to understand by all alike. This key is found in Revelation 1:19 and 4:1.

The book is in three clearly defined divisions:

First, "the things which thou hast seen," that is the visions of Christ, as in Rev. 1.

Second, "the things which are," that is, the things concerning the churches, as in Rev. 2-3.

Third. "the things which shall be hereafter," that is, after the churches, as in Rev. 4-22.

To prove that everything of Revelation, from the fourth chapter on, must be after the churches, in Rev. 4:1 after he had written the vision of Christ in chapter one and the things concerning the churches in chapters two and three, John was caught up to Heaven and was told that he was to see the things which must be hereafter, that is, after the churches. If the things of Rev. 4:1 through the rest of the book must be after the churches, then they must be fulfilled after the churches and not during the time of the churches. This is proof that the rapture of the church must take place before the fulfillment of everything in Rev. 4-22. If we will take literally and consecutively the events of these chapters and believe that they will happen after the rapture of the church, nothing in the book will be hard to understand.

where do you get the conclusion that the rapture happens before rev.4-22? it is talking about things that happen in the future from john's perspective. besides when Paul talks about the rapture in thessalonians he gave a warning not to be fooled, jesus return happens at the end of the trib and that is when we raptures his people.

Your right, it doesn't happen before Revelation 4-20:9, it happens at the last trump (1Cor 15:52) but it seems we cannot determine when this last trump will arrive.

By the way, the last trump is the eighth trump, as eight is God's number for resurrection. And it happens at the end of the Kingdom age.

[OneLight]

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Are you from, or represent The House of Yahweh?

[OneLight]

The Opening Post says, "Interpreting The Book of Revelation."

There is a simple key to the book of Revelation that makes the whole book simple to understand by all alike. This key is found in Revelation 1:19 and 4:1.

The book is in three clearly defined divisions:

First, "the things which thou hast seen," that is the visions of Christ, as in Rev. 1.

Second, "the things which are," that is, the things concerning the churches, as in Rev. 2-3.

Third. "the things which shall be hereafter," that is, after the churches, as in Rev. 4-22.

To prove that everything of Revelation, from the fourth chapter on, must be after the churches, in Rev. 4:1 after he had written the vision of Christ in chapter one and the things concerning the churches in chapters two and three, John was caught up to Heaven and was told that he was to see the things which must be hereafter, that is, after the churches. If the things of Rev. 4:1 through the rest of the book must be after the churches, then they must be fulfilled after the churches and not during the time of the churches. This is proof that the rapture of the church must take place before the fulfillment of everything in Rev. 4-22. If we will take literally and consecutively the events of these chapters and believe that they will happen after the rapture of the church, nothing in the book will be hard to understand.

where do you get the conclusion that the rapture happens before rev.4-22? it is talking about things that happen in the future from john's perspective. besides when Paul talks about the rapture in thessalonians he gave a warning not to be fooled, jesus return happens at the end of the trib and that is when we raptures his people.

Your right, it doesn't happen before Revelation 4-20:9, it happens at the last trump (1Cor 15:52) but it seems we cannot determine when this last trump will arrive.

By the way, the last trump is the eighth trump, as eight is God's number for resurrection. And it happens at the end of the Kingdom age.

Can you show this with Scripture? I never read about any 8th trump in prophecy.

[MorningGlory]

The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 and Isayah 44 have been found! Go to we found them dot org and get the free info . We have the facts to prove it. Help us spread the word. thanks!

Not sure where to find 'Isayah 44' in the Bible.

[Guest man]

The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 and Isayah 44 have been found! Go to we found them dot org and get the free info . We have the facts to prove it. Help us spread the word. thanks!

Not sure where to find 'Isayah 44' in the Bible.

Apparently our friend there is mixed up in some sort of cult.

Cult help info.

[sdktlk]

The Opening Post says, "Interpreting The Book of Revelation."

There is a simple key to the book of Revelation that makes the whole book simple to understand by all alike. This key is found in Revelation 1:19 and 4:1.

The book is in three clearly defined divisions:

First, "the things which thou hast seen," that is the visions of Christ, as in Rev. 1.

Second, "the things which are," that is, the things concerning the churches, as in Rev. 2-3.

Third. "the things which shall be hereafter," that is, after the churches, as in Rev. 4-22.

To prove that everything of Revelation, from the fourth chapter on, must be after the churches, in Rev. 4:1 after he had written the vision of Christ in chapter one and the things concerning the churches in chapters two and three, John was caught up to Heaven and was told that he was to see the things which must be hereafter, that is, after the churches. If the things of Rev. 4:1 through the rest of the book must be after the churches, then they must be fulfilled after the churches and not during the time of the churches. This is proof that the rapture of the church must take place before the fulfillment of everything in Rev. 4-22. If we will take literally and consecutively the events of these chapters and believe that they will happen after the rapture of the church, nothing in the book will be hard to understand.

where do you get the conclusion that the rapture happens before rev.4-22? it is talking about things that happen in the future from john's perspective. besides when Paul talks about the rapture in thessalonians he gave a warning not to be fooled, jesus return happens at the end of the trib and that is when we raptures his people.

Your right, it doesn't happen before Revelation 4-20:9, it happens at the last trump (1Cor 15:52) but it seems we cannot determine when this last trump will arrive.

By the way, the last trump is the eighth trump, as eight is God's number for resurrection. And it happens at the end of the Kingdom age.

Can you show this with Scripture? I never read about any 8th trump in prophecy.

In the Book of Revelation we see seven trumpets, but no where under those trumpets do we discover a resurrection of all the saints from all time. During the Kingdom age there will also be those who are saved and experience death, if the last trump had previously sounded where would the one's who died during the Kingdom age's resurrection be?

Discovering the significant of the number 8 in Scripture ... "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." (Gen 2:1-3) By this we can see that we are in fact still in the "seventh day," in accordance to God, for He is still resting from having made this temporal perfected creation.

However, there is a time coming when He will rise from His rest and work for we see it written, "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new." (Rev 21:5) This is the Lord again at work, and it is on the day after the seventh day has ended, or the eighth day.

In 2 Peter 2:5 it is recorded, "And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly." This being a type or shadow of resurrection, Noah being the eighth, which speaks of the old having passed and the new having come.

We find recorded in Revelation, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed." (Rev 13:3) That being coupled with, "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth." (Rev 17:11a) As most all would agree the one "wounded to death" is the same as the one which is proclaimed to be "the eighth" and it is a resurrected one.

We see that the Lord Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week, or the eighth day.

There is much to be discovered regarding the number eight in Scripture but it does, most certainly. speak of resurrection. Therefore, the "last trump" being sounded at the total and complete resurrection of everyone forever can only be the eighth trump.