nebula Posted January 21, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 21, 2011 During The Great Tribulation: ~ "...The Great City which is Spiritually called Sodom and Egypt where our Lord was crucified." - Rev.11:8 Is not Babylon The Woman John saw Go Into The Wilderness. - Rev.12:6,14 Is The Woman John went into The Wilderness to see. - Rev.17:3 Prove it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevelationWriter Posted January 21, 2011 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 608 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 Oholibah =Jerusalem "Concerning Her who Had Grown Old In Adultries: Will They Commit Harlotry With Her Now, and she with them?" Ez.23:43,44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 21, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Oholibah =Jerusalem "Concerning Her who Had Grown Old In Adultries: Will They Commit Harlotry With Her Now, and she with them?" Ez.23:43,44 And this makes Jerusalem "Mystery Babylon" - how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 ~ "How lonely Sits The City (Jerusalem) that was full of people! How like A WIDOW is she, who was Great Among The Nations! The PRINCESS Among the provinces has becomes A SLAVE!" - Lam.1:1,8 "says In her Heart: I Sit as Queen, I am no WIDOW and will not see Sorrow" - Rev.18:7 "say In your Heart: I shall not Sit as a WIDOW nor shall I know the loss of children" - Isaiah 4:7 "Sit in the dust O Virgin Daughter 0f Babylon Sit on the ground without A Throne O Daughter 0f The Chaldeans! For you shall No More be called tender & delicate. Take Up The MILSTONES and GRIND MEAL. [As A SLAVE] - Isaiah 47:1,2 "a mighty Angel took Up a Great MILSTONE and Threw it into the sea saying THUS With Violence The Great City Babylon Shall be thrown down...and the Sound of The MILSTONE shall not be heard in you anymore. - Rev.18:21,22 Virgin Daughter 0f Babylon Says: "As for OUR Redeemer The Lord 0f Hosts Is His Name The Holy One 0f Israel." - Isaiah 47:4 Sit in Silence and go into Darkness O Daughter 0f The Chaldeans for you shall not longer be Called THE LADY 0F KINGDOMS." Isaiah 47:5 The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible "MISTRESS 0F KINGDOMS" - Isaiah 47:5 . Can't do it, can you? You can't quote the verses in context to support your view because they aren't there. I'll state the challenge again: Quote only the scriptures and let them speak for themselves. Your opinions and commentary are not authorative or necessary if you can indeed find this in the scriptures. I'm sure you can't and will instead change the subject (or start namecalling) to avoid the error of your position from being exposed. But don't forget....the 3 verses before and after each verse so the context is clear for everyone to see, including yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevelationWriter Posted January 23, 2011 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 608 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 23, 2011 ~ With over 850 Scriptures of Jerusalem. Most are Prophetic. Within Prophecy Jerusalem is called many things. * Earthly Jerusalem Is Referred To In As 'The Camp': "..give thanks and to praise in the gates of The Camp 0f The Lord." - 2Chro.31:2 "Therefore LET us go forth to Jesus bearing His Reproach outside The Camp. For Here we have No Continuing City but we seek the one to come." - Heb.13:13,14 "They went up to The Breadth 0f The Earth and surrounded The Camp 0f The Saints and The Beloved City." - Rev.20:9 * Two Jerusalems Referred As Two Women Of Two Covenants: Earthly Jerusalem the Bond-Woman births according to The Flesh. Cast out The Bond-Woman. As her sons shall not inherit with the sons of the Free-woman. Heavenly Jerusalem the Free-Woman Births according to the Spirit. She is the mother of us all. So then brethern we are not children of the Bond-Woman but of The Free Woman. - Gal.4:23:31 * Jesus Said: "In My Father's House There Are Many Mansions...I Go To Prepare A Place For You." - John.14 Jerusalem above is The Father's House where the Many Mansions are. As Heavenly Jerusalem is called 'Temple OF God' 'Tabernacle OF God'. - Rev.15:5, Rev.21:3 Jesus went there to make Heavely Jerusalem "New" Although there's no Temple IN New Jerusalem For Us but OF Almighty God and The Lamb. New Jerusalem is still God's Temple, His Tabernacle, His House. Our Manisions are In His House The City New Jerusalem. But THEIR our Temple In New Jerusalem. To be continued... ~ Camp is what one Does. IN The City is where one camps. - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevelationWriter Posted January 23, 2011 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 608 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 23, 2011 Within Prophecy Jerusalem is called many things. * Earthly Jerusalem Is Referred To In As 'The Camp': "..give thanks and to praise in the gates of The Camp 0f The Lord." - 2Chro.31:2 And Hezekiah appointed the divisions of the priests and of the Levites, division by division, each according to his service, the priests and the Levites, for burnt offerings and peace offerings, to minister in the gates of the camp of the LORD and to give thanks and praise. (2Chro 31:2) That is not "prophetic" so I don't know why you are presenting it as such. Furthermore, it is not being used in this vere to refer to Jerusalem. The word is never used to refer to Jerusalem. "Therefore LET us go forth to Jesus bearing His Reproach outside The Camp. For Here we have No Continuing City but we seek the one to come." - Heb.13:13,14 This is an allusion to the encampments of the Israelites in the desert, not to Jerusalem. "They went up to The Breadth 0f The Earth and surrounded The Camp 0f The Saints and The Beloved City." - Rev.20:9 Again, the verbiage separates the the "camp of the saints" from the city of Jerusalem. * Two Jerusalems Referred As Two Women Of Two Covenants: Earthly Jerusalem the Bond-Woman births according to The Flesh. Cast out The Bond-Woman. As her sons shall not inherit with the sons of the Free-woman. Heavenly Jerusalem the Free-Woman Births according to the Spirit. She is the mother of us all. So then brethern we are not children of the Bond-Woman but of The Free Woman. - Gal.4:23:31 Paul is simply drawing an allegory using earthly and heavenly Jerusalem. He is using one to illustrate the Mosaic Covenant and the other illustrates the New Covenant. He is confronting the judaizing heresies that infiltrated the Galatian congregation. He is combatting the notion that one must be a member of earthly Jerusalem, i.e. convert to the Jewish religion in addition to believing in Jesus to be saved. * Jesus Said: "In My Father's House There Are Many Mansions...I Go To Prepare A Place For You." - John.14 Jerusalem above is The Father's House where the Many Mansions are. As Heavenly Jerusalem is called 'Temple OF God' 'Tabernacle OF God'. - Rev.15:5, Rev.21:3 Jesus went there to make Heavely Jerusalem "New" Although there's no Temple IN New Jerusalem For Us but OF Almighty God and The Lamb. New Jerusalem is still God's Temple, His Tabernacle, His House. Our Manisions are In His House The City New Jerusalem. But THEIR our Temple In New Jerusalem. What is your point? ~ Truth ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdktlk Posted January 23, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 282 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/30/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) "For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. Wherefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered WITHOUT THE GATE. Let us go forth therefore unto Him WITHOUT THE CAMP, bearing His reproach. For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come. By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to His Name." (Heb 13:11-15) "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of THE GREAT CITY, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, WHERE ALSO our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves." (Rev 11:7-9) Without commentary on my part what do we see in these two sets of Scripture with respect to where our Lord was crucified? Edited January 23, 2011 by sdktlk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevelationWriter Posted February 15, 2011 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 608 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 15, 2011 ~ Which City, Crucified Jesus? Jesus said, We are going up to Jerusalem and The Son 0f Man will be betrayed to The Chief Priest and The Scribes they will Condemn Him to death... - Matt.20:18 The Rulers...had they known would not have Crucified The Lord 0f Glory. - 1Cor.2:8 Jesus Said, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, THE ONE Who KILLS The Prophets and stones those sent to her!" - Matt.23:37 - Back to my point: Jerusalem is The Camp as stated in the scripture you quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 ~ "How lonely Sits The City (Jerusalem) that was full of people! How like A WIDOW is she, who was Great Among The Nations! The PRINCESS Among the provinces has becomes A SLAVE!" - Lam.1:1,8 "says In her Heart: I Sit as Queen, I am no WIDOW and will not see Sorrow" - Rev.18:7 "say In your Heart: I shall not Sit as a WIDOW nor shall I know the loss of children" - Isaiah 4:7 "Sit in the dust O Virgin Daughter 0f Babylon Sit on the ground without A Throne O Daughter 0f The Chaldeans! For you shall No More be called tender & delicate. Take Up The MILSTONES and GRIND MEAL. [As A SLAVE] - Isaiah 47:1,2 "a mighty Angel took Up a Great MILSTONE and Threw it into the sea saying THUS With Violence The Great City Babylon Shall be thrown down...and the Sound of The MILSTONE shall not be heard in you anymore. - Rev.18:21,22 Virgin Daughter 0f Babylon Says: "As for OUR Redeemer The Lord 0f Hosts Is His Name The Holy One 0f Israel." - Isaiah 47:4 Sit in Silence and go into Darkness O Daughter 0f The Chaldeans for you shall not longer be Called THE LADY 0F KINGDOMS." Isaiah 47:5 The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible "MISTRESS 0F KINGDOMS" - Isaiah 47:5 . Can't do it, can you? You can't quote the verses in context to support your view because they aren't there. I'll state the challenge again: Quote only the scriptures and let them speak for themselves. Your opinions and commentary are not authorative or necessary if you can indeed find this in the scriptures. I'm sure you can't and will instead change the subject (or start namecalling) to avoid the error of your position from being exposed. But don't forget....the 3 verses before and after each verse so the context is clear for everyone to see, including yourself. still can't do it, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted February 15, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted February 15, 2011 ~ "How lonely Sits The City (Jerusalem) that was full of people! How like A WIDOW is she, who was Great Among The Nations! The PRINCESS Among the provinces has becomes A SLAVE!" - Lam.1:1,8 "says In her Heart: I Sit as Queen, I am no WIDOW and will not see Sorrow" - Rev.18:7 "say In your Heart: I shall not Sit as a WIDOW nor shall I know the loss of children" - Isaiah 4:7 "Sit in the dust O Virgin Daughter 0f Babylon Sit on the ground without A Throne O Daughter 0f The Chaldeans! For you shall No More be called tender & delicate. Take Up The MILSTONES and GRIND MEAL. [As A SLAVE] - Isaiah 47:1,2 "a mighty Angel took Up a Great MILSTONE and Threw it into the sea saying THUS With Violence The Great City Babylon Shall be thrown down...and the Sound of The MILSTONE shall not be heard in you anymore. - Rev.18:21,22 Virgin Daughter 0f Babylon Says: "As for OUR Redeemer The Lord 0f Hosts Is His Name The Holy One 0f Israel." - Isaiah 47:4 Sit in Silence and go into Darkness O Daughter 0f The Chaldeans for you shall not longer be Called THE LADY 0F KINGDOMS." Isaiah 47:5 The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible "MISTRESS 0F KINGDOMS" - Isaiah 47:5 . Can't do it, can you? You can't quote the verses in context to support your view because they aren't there. I'll state the challenge again: Quote only the scriptures and let them speak for themselves. Your opinions and commentary are not authorative or necessary if you can indeed find this in the scriptures. I'm sure you can't and will instead change the subject (or start namecalling) to avoid the error of your position from being exposed. But don't forget....the 3 verses before and after each verse so the context is clear for everyone to see, including yourself. still can't do it, eh? Nope he can't... Mat 23:34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, Mat 23:35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Mat 23:36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. Mat 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! Mat 23:38 See, your house is left to you desolate. Mat 23:39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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