Islam and Israel and prophecies of the Bible

[PetriFB]

Muslims try to destroy Israel, and demand areas of Israel's land for themselves. Muslims say that some areas of Israel belong to the Palestinians. The Quran declares that Allah has given the land of Israel for Jews, which is their holy land.

The Muslims fight against the announcement of the Quran when try to destroy Israel and take over the land of Israel. The Palestinian issue and the Middle East problems would be solved if the Muslims would believe the Quran and to allow the Israelis to live in their own land, which belongs to them. Of course, it would be best if they would believe in the Lord Jesus and the Bible, because, then they really know to whom the land of Israel belongs to. The rich Arab countries could re-colonize the Palestinian Arabs, and to give them a good home and a livelihood, because they can afford to it by many billions of oil incomes. The Arabs don't want to do this, but they want to keep Palestinian Arabs in misery as well as a shield and an excuse against Israel.

The whole article: http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/differencesquranbible5.html

[Guest]

Muslims try to destroy Israel, and demand areas of Israel's land for themselves. Muslims say that some areas of Israel belong to the Palestinians. The Quran declares that Allah has given the land of Israel for Jews, which is their holy land.

The Muslims fight against the announcement of the Quran when try to destroy Israel and take over the land of Israel. The Palestinian issue and the Middle East problems would be solved if the Muslims would believe the Quran and to allow the Israelis to live in their own land, which belongs to them. Of course, it would be best if they would believe in the Lord Jesus and the Bible, because, then they really know to whom the land of Israel belongs to. The rich Arab countries could re-colonize the Palestinian Arabs, and to give them a good home and a livelihood, because they can afford to it by many billions of oil incomes. The Arabs don't want to do this, but they want to keep Palestinian Arabs in misery as well as a shield and an excuse against Israel.

The whole article: http://koti.phnet.fi...uranbible5.html

[Shiloh62]

Muslims try to destroy Israel, and demand areas of Israel's land for themselves. Muslims say that some areas of Israel belong to the Palestinians. The Quran declares that Allah has given the land of Israel for Jews, which is their holy land.

The Muslims fight against the announcement of the Quran when try to destroy Israel and take over the land of Israel. The Palestinian issue and the Middle East problems would be solved if the Muslims would believe the Quran and to allow the Israelis to live in their own land, which belongs to them. Of course, it would be best if they would believe in the Lord Jesus and the Bible, because, then they really know to whom the land of Israel belongs to. The rich Arab countries could re-colonize the Palestinian Arabs, and to give them a good home and a livelihood, because they can afford to it by many billions of oil incomes. The Arabs don't want to do this, but they want to keep Palestinian Arabs in misery as well as a shield and an excuse against Israel.

The whole article: http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/differencesquranbible5.html

If they don't believe their own teachings, who will they believe?

[GlidingWings]

Well I have said that to get do someone at best is one of the closest person around you. That would mean the Devil would try to use a close by friend or relative to give you a bad time. Yet God is also using close people who are around you also.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is trouble for the Devil. So something needs to be done to rival Christianity. God allows this testing. So Islam is born about sixth century Ad. Ok that is about six hundred years later after the Church age of Jesus begins. A late start perhaps but old enough in our time that is at least = 1400 years old religion. The Koran kind of reminds me of the Book of Mormon as the Mormons also say that Joseph Smith talked to an Angel Maroni to make this new book. So in Islam Mohammed is said to speak to the Angel of Gabriel to make the Koran. The Koran has about five thousand and something scriptures. That is 114 suras or what we call chapters. This is a mini book compared to our Holy Book the Bible of over 31000 scriptures. That is over five times what the Koran has. The Bible is evident God has inspired Authors over many Generations to complete the Bible.

Islam is a religion that has some similarities to Christianity beliefs to twist things about. One single God that rules everything. A Book that is inspired by God someone great who made the following move. In Islam it is Mohammed for us it is Jesus and both believe in Abraham. But Islam says Ishmael the slave son is the inheritance while our Bible says Isaac got that role. One can not deny Abraham as one can not deny Jesus either but to alter the story.

The Koran teaches that God has no Son or daughter. Therefore Jesus can not be his son to them Jesus is just a prophet. But however Islam believes Jesus will return one day also. But when Jesus does he will as a great prophet to proclaim Allah as God. They believe in Heaven. But they think that it is more flesh like as one receives one thousand virgin wives. Our Heaven is all spiritual. They believe in Hell of Eternal suffering. The also believe in Satan and they also believe they are waiting for their own Messiah to come.

Islam is so deep rooted into those cultures and it is more than Religion to them. It is the way of their life. They will defend Allah and the Koran at all cost. They believe in Allah and the Koran just as much as we believe in God Jesus and the Bible. We say they are not true and they say we are not true our word against theirs. So what does that leave us? Only now that God Himself will reveal to all who do not know now who God is. God has in the Bible thus far but later He will do it personally.

Israel is going to continue to fight until the Day Jesus returns at the end of the Trib to establish the Millennium Kingdom of 1000 years. That is true for the entire world. We will all be at war till Jesus brings true Peace on Earth. Man could not do that only God can.

[Shiloh62]

Well I have said that to get do someone at best is one of the closest person around you. That would mean the Devil would try to use a close by friend or relative to give you a bad time. Yet God is also using close people who are around you also.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is trouble for the Devil. So something needs to be done to rival Christianity. God allows this testing. So Islam is born about sixth century Ad. Ok that is about six hundred years later after the Church age of Jesus begins. A late start perhaps but old enough in our time that is at least = 1400 years old religion. The Koran kind of reminds me of the Book of Mormon as the Mormons also say that Joseph Smith talked to an Angel Maroni to make this new book. So in Islam Mohammed is said to speak to the Angel of Gabriel to make the Koran. The Koran has about five thousand and something scriptures. That is 114 suras or what we call chapters. This is a mini book compared to our Holy Book the Bible of over 31000 scriptures. That is over five times what the Koran has. The Bible is evident God has inspired Authors over many Generations to complete the Bible.

Islam is a religion that has some similarities to Christianity beliefs to twist things about. One single God that rules everything. A Book that is inspired by God someone great who made the following move. In Islam it is Mohammed for us it is Jesus and both believe in Abraham. But Islam says Ishmael the slave son is the inheritance while our Bible says Isaac got that role. One can not deny Abraham as one can not deny Jesus either but to alter the story.

The Koran teaches that God has no Son or daughter. Therefore Jesus can not be his son to them Jesus is just a prophet. But however Islam believes Jesus will return one day also. But when Jesus does he will as a great prophet to proclaim Allah as God. They believe in Heaven. But they think that it is more flesh like as one receives one thousand virgin wives. Our Heaven is all spiritual. They believe in Hell of Eternal suffering. The also believe in Satan and they also believe they are waiting for their own Messiah to come.

Islam is so deep rooted into those cultures and it is more than Religion to them. It is the way of their life. They will defend Allah and the Koran at all cost. They believe in Allah and the Koran just as much as we believe in God Jesus and the Bible. We say they are not true and they say we are not true our word against theirs. So what does that leave us? Only now that God Himself will reveal to all who do not know now who God is. God has in the Bible thus far but later He will do it personally.

Israel is going to continue to fight until the Day Jesus returns at the end of the Trib to establish the Millennium Kingdom of 1000 years. That is true for the entire world. We will all be at war till Jesus brings true Peace on Earth. Man could not do that only God can.

Although the English is broken, you have made some very valid points. At the end of time, good and evil will fight at Armageddon, and then truth will prevail.

[Oneaccords]

Iranian President Looking for Muslim Messiah (the Antichrist)

"While the world is focused on Iran's push for a nuclear bomb, another mission by Iran's president goes largely unnoticed. Behind Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's bluster about wiping Israel off the map, is a conviction that the world will soon experience a global conflagration that will usher in the return of the "12th Imam."

Known as the Mahdi, this Muslim messiah is supposed to lead the fight against the corrupt Western society and conquer the world for Allah. Ahmadinejah is committing millions of dollars to promote this idea in Iran and the surrounding nations.

He has all Iran buzzing about the return of the Mahdi. Children's magazines and school curricula contain teachings about his appearance. One institute set up in 2004 has a staff of 160 dedicated to preparing the people for his appearance. A messiah hot line and news agencies solely dedicated to the latest developments have been set up.

Ahmadinejad is positioning himself as sort of a John the Baptist, going before the return of the Mahdi to prepare Iran to be the center of his operation. He wants Iran to become a powerful and advanced Islamic society, purged of the corruption of the West.

Although Israel is seen as an obstruction to Islam's dream of world dominion, the U.S. is the biggest evil for trying to "impose its will on other nations." "We don't shy away from declaring that Islam is ready to rule the world," Ahmadinejad said.

Adding to the mystical nature of Ahmadinejad's crusade, he claims to have had an aura around him when he made a speech recently to the United Nations. He says that the atmosphere changed when he began to speak. He said that he felt himself bathed in a "light from heaven." "For those 27 or 28 minutes, all the leaders of the world did not blink," he said.

This sense of a divine mission makes Iran much more dangerous than just another struggling Muslim country. Ahmadinejad's bold mission personifies the new spirit of Islam, convinced they must vanquish the corrupt Western world. They believe that Christianity has failed, that it has produced a decadent culture. They see themselves as anointed by Allah to bring the whole world under the strict Islamic law (think Taliban). Their goal is no less than to rule the world.

Surely we are entering the last days when men's hearts will be "failing them for fear…looking after those things which are coming on the earth." (Luke 21) In that same passage, Jesus said to "look up…for your redemption draweth nigh." But while we are praying "Lord, come quickly," we must be about our Father's business. Among the 5 million Muslims in the U.S. there are many who do not have a fanatic devotion to Allah. As they become more acquainted with Christianity in the West, they have many questions. For soul winners, this is a golden opportunity to enter dialog with them and help them see that their Jesus prophet is really the Creator.

For many Christians, Islam is a mystery. But with a little study, you can get up to speed on their beliefs. The main tactic, as in all witnessing, is to show that Jesus was really God. Most false religions recognize Jesus as a wise teacher or even a prophet. But they refuse to admit His deity."

From:

http://www.chick.com/bc/2006/muslim.asp

[Guest LambOfChrist]

Forgive me if this is the wrong place to enter this, but I am new here and feel that there is something missing in the understanding of the poster. God's word is our foundation. What does he tell us about Islam and Israel in prophecy.

If you study the prophetic word you must have some knowledge of scripture. I don't know your understanding so to explain what i see in prophecy and the relationship between Israel and Islam I will start with Mathew 24:15.

Jesus said When you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet......

this should be the beginning of your search. Go to Daniel to see what he said about the abomination of desolation.

We find with some study that in Daniel 9:27 there is to be a 7 year covenant and that in the midst of that 7 years the sacrifice and oblation will cease.

We Find in Daniel 7 that there are 4 beasts. Each of these beasts rise up in the same area. They follow one another. They are Islam today. Some say they are the EU but the EU does not occupy the same territory that these beasts do. Islam does.

Further we are told that the 4th beast is diverse from all of the others. The EU is nothing like the Babylonian empire, Medo-Persian Empire or the Grecian Empire ruled by his 4 generals after Alexander the Great died. No This is Islam.

The little horn who many call the Anti-Christ, comes from one of the countries formerly occupied by the 4 generals mentioned. It is not Obama or Prince Charles etc.. Those who teach this disregard Daniel 7 in it's context.

Babylon the great is described in Rev 17 and 18. It should be easy for anyone who has studied the history of the Jesuit General beginning with Loyola down through the ages and the atrocities that have been accomplished by them to recognize that they are Babylon the great. They are the 7 heads of Rev 13. They will rule with the beast for the final 42 months.

Remember that the beast only reigns for 42 months. This being true then the beast has not manifested itself yet. Keep that in mind.

2 years ago, it would have been hard to imagine 10 Muslim nations in the Middle East joining hands. However, Egypt is now free from it's dictator, Libya is well on it's way and the UN has declared that they are all being removed. It sounds like a good thing to get rid of these dictators but understand that the population is Muslim. The door is opening for the Muslim Brotherhood to join hands over Islam. There are 10 Muslim nations in the Middle East.

They will obviously have moderate Muslim leaders set in place as they become the beast shortly. However, in Rev 18, 10 radical Muslims will be given power over the beast and they will burn Babylon the great with fire in one hour.

The mark of the beast is related to all of this. The beast will cause all to take it or they can't buy or sell and will be killed. What is Jihad?

According to several new teachers who speak Arabic, the original word that was translated 666 was an Arabic word. The rest of the revelations was not written in Arabic. However, there was no word in the original language that could be used so Arabic was used much like a Frenchman saying Google. He uses the English word.

The Arabic word is properly translated "Allah is Lord"

Is the picture coming to you?

The second beast in Rev 13 may very well be the US and a friend, perhaps Canada or England. They have just as much power as the first beast and there is much evidence that the government is slowly being overtaken by Islam. This we will have to wait for.

We have a 7 year covenant in place as of Jan 1 2007. Many scriptures have been taken out of context and therefore this covenant was disregarded by most teachers. It is the EPNI. I am sure it is explained somewhere in this forum.

Daniel 9:27 has been miss-understood and translated wrong in most bibles. The word midst in the KJB is proper and has been translated middle in most bibles.

To prove this look at Daniel 8:11-14. When talking about the little horn, who all agree is to take control of the 10 horned beast of this age, we are told that he is the one that takes away the daily sacrifice and sets up the abomination. (The one who makes the covenant only causes it to happen, while the little horn does it)

verse 13 and 14 tell us that there are 2300 days before the abomination is set up. Most teachers point at some other historical event for this 2300 days, but in context, it is leading up to the abomination. If the EPNI is the covenant,(It fits perfect) then 2300 days after the covenant is signed brings us to mid April 2013. That is over a year and a half from now. Lot's of time to accomplish all that needs done.

My point here finally is that the reason Islam is against Israel stems from their roots but it is in fulfillment of prophecy. God is on the throne. We, in our flesh, can only point fingers and blame this side or that. Actually Satan has authority over both because they refuse Christ. But he is bound by the word. God's angels are given charge over his word to see to it and perform it. What we are called to do is pray for peace and preach the gospel so some Muslims and Israelis might hear it and be saved. There is no confusion here. Just lack of knowledge on our part.

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Tell me what you see and I will tell you what I see and then we will both see more clearly.

Correct me if you think I am wrong, and I will correct you when I think you are wrong and together we might get it right.

[JesusisGod2]

The Quran declares that Allah has given the land of Israel for Jews, which is their holy land.

Thats interesting....................whre in the Quran do you find this?

An interesting site that talks on this subjet is found in "America and Israel in bible prophecy"

http://www.americaisraelprophecy.com/index.html

Then click on Islam and the beast, some very good stuff here.

God bless

kevin

[Dutch42]

Muslims try to destroy Israel, and demand areas of Israel's land for themselves. Muslims say that some areas of Israel belong to the Palestinians. The Quran declares that Allah has given the land of Israel for Jews, which is their holy land.

The Muslims fight against the announcement of the Quran when try to destroy Israel and take over the land of Israel. The Palestinian issue and the Middle East problems would be solved if the Muslims would believe the Quran and to allow the Israelis to live in their own land, which belongs to them. Of course, it would be best if they would believe in the Lord Jesus and the Bible, because, then they really know to whom the land of Israel belongs to. The rich Arab countries could re-colonize the Palestinian Arabs, and to give them a good home and a livelihood, because they can afford to it by many billions of oil incomes. The Arabs don't want to do this, but they want to keep Palestinian Arabs in misery as well as a shield and an excuse against Israel.

The whole article: http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/differencesquranbible5.html

The battle is not Arabs against Israel.. but Allah against YHWH

[OldShep]

Muslims try to destroy Israel, and demand areas of Israel's land for themselves. Muslims say that some areas of Israel belong to the Palestinians. The Quran declares that Allah has given the land of Israel for Jews, which is their holy land.

The Muslims fight against the announcement of the Quran when try to destroy Israel and take over the land of Israel. The Palestinian issue and the Middle East problems would be solved if the Muslims would believe the Quran and to allow the Israelis to live in their own land, which belongs to them. Of course, it would be best if they would believe in the Lord Jesus and the Bible, because, then they really know to whom the land of Israel belongs to. The rich Arab countries could re-colonize the Palestinian Arabs, and to give them a good home and a livelihood, because they can afford to it by many billions of oil incomes. The Arabs don't want to do this, but they want to keep Palestinian Arabs in misery as well as a shield and an excuse against Israel.

The whole article: http://koti.phnet.fi...uranbible5.html

The battle is not Arabs against Israel.. but Allah against YHWH

I think the true battle started a long time before the battles that man has found themselves in. The true battle is between Christ and Satan, that has been carried forward for nearly six thousand years, and I hope soon to close. For is seems to me that Satan has doubled his effort to blind those people here on earth and have caused many to turn their backs to Jesus. Remember, Satan goal is to defeat the work of Christ in man's behalf and to fasten souls in his snare, holding those people in darkness and impentitence till the Saviour's mediation is ended and there is no longer a sacrifice for the sins of man. Like a great general Satan plans out his moves and knows the Bible better then we do, although I think he is blinded to the End.

From a former military point of view;

Dennis