Cajunluvie Posted February 9, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 221 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2012 I see- So, it is literally impossible for Gillard to be an atheist humanist? No, that is not what I said. Specifically I said the terms are not necessarily inclusive. As I said before, Julia may be an atheist, etc. but claiming that all humanists must be like that, or that all who hold her political/economic views hold a similar philosophy is a bad analogy akin to making a strawman argument. Then, it would not be "incorrect" to call her as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Durnan Posted February 9, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,782 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/14/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2012 Bottom Line: God Doesn't Believe in Atheism! No matter whether it's out of Australia or wherever. Request my PowerPoint "Semon-On-The-Screen" by the same name: God Doesn't Believe In Atheism! durnan@cogeco.ca Rev. Arthur Durnan. Arthur Durnan Ministries of Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByFaithAlone Posted February 12, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 730 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/19/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/13/1993 Share Posted February 12, 2012 I see- So, it is literally impossible for Gillard to be an atheist humanist? No, that is not what I said. Specifically I said the terms are not necessarily inclusive. As I said before, Julia may be an atheist, etc. but claiming that all humanists must be like that, or that all who hold her political/economic views hold a similar philosophy is a bad analogy akin to making a strawman argument. Then, it would not be "incorrect" to call her as such. You are correct. Actually, I believe it would be accurate to call her an atheist as I believe she admits to being an atheist. However, as I said, that term is not inclusive of all humanists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellarose Posted February 18, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 388 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/02/1989 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I don't understand the controversy.... She is obviously an Atheist and has admitted so... Clearly an evolutionist and a feminist. There is no doubt that she is pro-abortion.... I don't know whether she would call herself a humanist... I don't know why she wouldn't though.... I seriously doubt that any of the Reformers would think of themselves as humanists!! And I'm pretty sure Bacon was a Freemason... Not exactly the pinnacle of Christianity either I would say. As for socialism... Whether her beliefs are socialist and whether she would call herself one are two different things. So again, what is the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByFaithAlone Posted February 19, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 730 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/19/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/13/1993 Share Posted February 19, 2012 I don't understand the controversy.... She is obviously an Atheist and has admitted so... Clearly an evolutionist and a feminist. There is no doubt that she is pro-abortion.... I don't know whether she would call herself a humanist... I don't know why she wouldn't though.... I seriously doubt that any of the Reformers would think of themselves as humanists!! And I'm pretty sure Bacon was a Freemason... Not exactly the pinnacle of Christianity either I would say. As for socialism... Whether her beliefs are socialist and whether she would call herself one are two different things. So again, what is the issue? The issue, as I stated in my first post, the problem with the article and its broad generalizations of all humanists are atheists, feminists, pro-abortion and socialists. The article also assumes that humanism is a religion. This is false. Humanism is a philosophy which can be compatible with Christianity. Now you state that none of the Reformers would have called themselves humanists and that Bacon was not the pinnacle of Christianity. I would simply answer that historians would disagree with you and the idea that “the position that universal human dignity and individual freedom are essential and principal components of, or are at least compatible with, Christian doctrine and practice” is consistent with the beliefs of these Reformers. They are, therefore, by definition, consistent with humanistic Christians. The article furthermore uses Julia’s beliefs as a strawman argument against President Obama and anyone else who favors Keynesian economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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