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6 year old handcuffed. . .

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They could have held her in a hug position til she would have calmed down,

Bet you ten to one they would have gotten in trouble for that, too. :rolleyes:

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They could have held her in a hug position til she would have calmed down,

Bet you ten to one they would have gotten in trouble for that, too. :rolleyes:

I was going to say the same thing. Assault, child molestation, etc. I guess the principal was thinking about that when he called the police....

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Have we missed the fact that the situation at public schools justifies an extreme response (and yes, it was extreme) because the children themselves have become extreme? Since when is it NOT OK to protect yourself against that kind of tantrum? As a parent, I hope the police scared the living daylights into the child, made them bawl their eyes out, and tremble in fear. Otherwise, how is the child EVER going to learn respect? And if the parents of this child don't like it, maybe they should do the parenting instead of forcing schools to do it... whistling.gif

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Ive worked daycare, Ive been in similar situations, sure there were other methods that they "could" have used, but any time you try to phyiscally restrain a child like that, no matter what method you use, you run the risk of the child being injured or someone else being hurt, and on top of that if theres multiple adults restraining the child, well schools are shorthanded as it is, the more adults that are being tied up restraining that child the more likely it is that other children may be put at risk. And if the child gets injured-or even if they dont, the school runs the risk of a lawsuit in todays society.

Lets put it in perspective-what is so evil about handcuffs? lets put all things aside, and look at just the handcuffs. Police show up, child is extremely violent, and has been pointed out if medical staff had been alerted they would have just called the police-but the police show up, phyiscally holding the child has obviously been tried otherwise they wouldnt be there, the parents obviousy-havent been able to be reached, because unless its suspected child abuse, its still the norm to call the parents, what do you expect them to do? If it was a 25 year old doing something like that, they would have been cuffed, thrown in the squad car and locked in jail. That is the procedure, its not malicious, its not meant to do harm, but it is the procedure. Police pick up a drunk? he goes in handcuffs and off to jail. Any time the cops detain anyone-they handcuff them, thats procedure. In this case-the cops really did what they had to do-the followed procedure in cuffing the child, and then removing the child from the premises, which actually may have been a good idea-sometimes a change of scenery and people will calm even the worst children down-and once they got to the station, and the child had calmed, they actually broke the procedure, and after removing the cuffs allowed her to sit in the squad room with soda until the parents arrived to collect her, anyone else would have been in a 6 x 9 cell, with water if they were lucky. On top of that, with the cuffs, if the child injured herself they can safely say it was all on the child-no one can accuse the cops of abusing the child.

Me perhaps, I would have tried to physically restrain her until the parents could be called, but I still say what they did wasn't wrong. They probably could have handled it better, but I wouldnt say it was wrong.

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The Law should not have hand cuffed the child.

In the first place, the school should have called an ambulance to take her to the emergency room .

The Law, should have not hand cuffed the child , instead of taking her to jail ...

they should have taken her to an emergency room.

She had some kind of fit....and maybe something physically wrong with the child.

Which would still involve the police. Medical personnel do not work with combative unrestrained patients for their own safety.

School systems have quite a problem...they really can't do anything (so little discipline allowed), and Parents are lacking severely. When teachers or the principal call parents...they rarely get a response. Parents don't want to be parents, and teachers had everything they could do taken away. I still say dismantle the public school system. Brainwash them and sort them for employment elsewhere.

Knowingly , in such a case the Principal , if could not reach a parent ...there on every students' record is another phone number to contact the nearest relative .

Please read my other post . There are ways to deal with an uncontrollable student , with all those adults around. What they did was not necessary toward a 6 year old child.

ColleenLovesMischief.

We'll see what happens with her when she returns back to school this fall..... maybe the best thing that could possibly happen to her if it gets her attention...... and maybe it will open the eyes of the parents that they need to work on the problem. This is not a school problem, it's a parent problem.

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If YOUR , 6 year old child was hand cuffed and taken to jail, and treated like a CRIMINAL ....what would you do ?

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I have a very close family member who teaches high school in Texas and she worries every day about being shot, stabbed or beat up by 16 to 18 year olds that are not much more than this six year od girl.

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If YOUR , 6 year old child was hand cuffed and taken to jail, and treated like a CRIMINAL ....what would you do ?

My son has been handcuffed and taken to jail when he was five. He was beating his sisters up with anything he could find and doing all he could to punish me and them when we would not give in and let him have his own way. The last straw came when he and his mates burnt a shed down. I went to the police and asked them if they could help me put a stop to this. They asked me how far they could go with him and I said cuff him and throw him in jail for a few hours to show him that his behaviour was not acceptable. They did just that and my son was a changed boy after that. He is in his twenties now and still says that what I did turned him round and got him on the right path as it really scared him like nothing else did.

And before anyone says anything about how I parented him I did use all the usual punishments for him to stop the behaviour, from time out to taking things away from him, and they didn't work as he didn't believe he had to listen to me over anything. I was also relying very much on God during this time and only went to the police after much prayer and thought. It is not always the parents fault when a child chooses to do wrong. I am not saying it is or isn't the parents fault in the case of this child just that we are sometimes to quick to blame the parents when they have tried everything to stop the child and nothing worked.

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The Law should not have hand cuffed the child.

In the first place, the school should have called an ambulance to take her to the emergency room .

The Law, should have not hand cuffed the child , instead of taking her to jail ...

they should have taken her to an emergency room.

She had some kind of fit....and maybe something physically wrong with the child.

Which would still involve the police. Medical personnel do not work with combative unrestrained patients for their own safety.

School systems have quite a problem...they really can't do anything (so little discipline allowed), and Parents are lacking severely. When teachers or the principal call parents...they rarely get a response. Parents don't want to be parents, and teachers had everything they could do taken away. I still say dismantle the public school system. Brainwash them and sort them for employment elsewhere.

Knowingly , in such a case the Principal , if could not reach a parent ...there on every students' record is another phone number to contact the nearest relative .

Please read my other post . There are ways to deal with an uncontrollable student , with all those adults around. What they did was not necessary toward a 6 year old child.

ColleenLovesMischief.

As a mother of 4 (3 living) I would say it was needed. My kids have all tried for those kinds of things. My 14 yr old still does. The school tells the kids to report if a parent so much as smacks them. I have had to deal with situations similar. My teenager can knock me out (he doesn't know it yet). Overpowering a small child by being bigger isn't good either. It teaches them to fear adults. As for what is allowed in the schools...they were in the right. Maybe parents could try to get some control of their children....schools sure don't and never will have it. Oh and schools should be warned in advance about a child with behavior problems.

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Guess....that sums up my parenting as lacking in discipline then because despite the placing of my oldest son who is not quite yet three in time out....he still has them. Even if the regularity of their occurring is decreasing. Then....time for a child to learn differs with each. While some children are potty trained by the age of three, others are not so until four.

Not all children learn quickly either....again, let us not forget that there are some individuals both old and young with physical, mental, and even learning disabilities. This can effect the speed in which some of the most basic concepts that a person learns to be slowed.

Please do not think I am condoning this little girl's behavior. I am not. Seeing as there is nothing stated about a medical condition, it is very likely that the little girl is in need of some discipline. Just do not think handcuffs or the police station is the way to go for a six year old girl.

I don't remember saying or even hinting that your parenting skills were poor. You did say that you do not spank, or swat, as I recall, so from the get-go, you limit your discipline options and start out hobbling yourself to a certain extent. As long as it is not extreme and prolonged, corporal punishment is not harmful to a child. It should always be used as a punishment of last resort and done sparingly, but it does not damage a child as some people say it does. Effective discipline has to be tailored to each child. Sometimes spanking won't work and sometimes time out won't work. Every child is different. But there has to be some form of consistent and forceful discipline or the child will quickly run amok.

I have 6 children and have had another 12 foster children. Out of 16 children (2 of my natural children passed on, one at 18 months and one at birth) only one ever threw temper tantrums, and threw them consistently. So it is not normal by any stretch of the imagination. If a parent makes it clear the first time a tantrum occurs that A) it won't be allowed under any circumstances and B) That repercussions will be swift, consistent and unpleasant then the tantrums will not continue. The foster children we had were always special needs children and most had some behavioral problems of some type, and only one threw tantrums, so the behavior is not normal. Children will not test the waters for very long when they realize they have met an immovable force. I will repeat that children throw tantrums because there is some sort of payoff at the end. Either they get something they want, or the discipline they are met with because of a tantrum is not effective at stopping them. So another method needs to be tried if tantrums are persistent. We had one foster daughter that would throw tantrums. Bad ones. At home, at the store, anywhere. And the reasons for the tantrums was something we could never figure out. You could see them coming on though. There was a warning as you could see her start building up to one. Her eyes would change and her body would stiffen up. Then she would just throw herself on the floor. She would sometimes throw her head back into the wall or something equally violent. It may sound draconian, but the only way we could ever find to stop the tantrums and stop her from injuring herself was to drop her into a round plastic clothes hamper at the onset of the tantrum. After a couple months of this, all I had to do was say "hamper" when I could see the tantrum coming on and it would go away just as quickly and the hamper rarely needed to be used. Some nieces and nephews that came and spent the nights at our house often threw tantrums when with their parents, but not when they stayed with us, because I wouldn't put up with it. A couple of different times their parents would ask me why and the answer was always simple. Because I didn't allow it and there was always a consequence for them if they tried it. I was raised old school. The adult is in charge, and in control, not the child. You don't fold and you don't bargain. It's parenting, not arbitration. Discipline is not wrong and setting boundaries and enforcing them is not harmful.

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