leoxiii Posted October 13, 2012 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 512 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/30/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/25/1955 Share Posted October 13, 2012 As God is the Author of both Faith and Science, there cannot be any contradiction between the two. What does create a conflict is misplaced Faith and bad Science. The controversy today basically boils down to atheism vs. theism. Been going on since the Garden of Eden. Question: What has Science actually proven empirically that goes against the Christian Faith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barabbas Posted December 10, 2012 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 10, 2012 The left have been pushing the either, or for decades now. The idea is to paint believers as ig'nurt, book burnin' savages. While of course they appear to be people of reason, intellect, and "just the facts ma'am". It will ever be thus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexanderJ Posted December 11, 2012 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 195 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 24 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1993 Share Posted December 11, 2012 As God is the Author of both Faith and Science, there cannot be any contradiction between the two. What does create a conflict is misplaced Faith and bad Science. The controversy today basically boils down to atheism vs. theism. Been going on since the Garden of Eden. Question: What has Science actually proven empirically that goes against the Christian Faith? To answer your question, I would propose that it all depends on which Scientists you trust and heed. The average layman (I include myself here) can't really follow the mind-boggling complexity of advanced Science. To prove anything to yourself (or to others) empirically you would have to be an expert in many fields of Science, which is, for most people, quite impossible. I trust God and his Word, and will consider any theory that appears to conform to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Question: What has Science actually proven empirically that goes against the Christian Faith? Depends on what you want to count as part of the Christian faith. You That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:9-12 Think Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:11 ~ If And When You Are Ready To Really Know The Living God Of Abraham, Isaac And Jacob In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:1-3 Call On The Jesus Of God's Word, The LORD God And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Joel 2:32 The Creator Of The Genesis Of All For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Colossians 1:17-18 Or Not The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36 ~ Believe And Be Blessed Beloved Love, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted December 13, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted December 13, 2012 As God is the Author of both Faith and Science, there cannot be any contradiction between the two. What does create a conflict is misplaced Faith and bad Science. The controversy today basically boils down to atheism vs. theism. Been going on since the Garden of Eden. Question: What has Science actually proven empirically that goes against the Christian Faith? I am not aware of the existence of atheists on the Garden of Eden. Ciao - viole But oh yes viole, you were there. You were in the loins of your father Adam. So were the rest of your atheist friends! It was a big party but none of you believed it was going on...don't you remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinky Posted December 13, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,602 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 291 Days Won: 8 Joined: 10/24/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1986 Share Posted December 13, 2012 I like your sig Barabbas: "If Jesus was a Socialist he would have paid for his sacrifice with someone else's blood" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas t Posted December 13, 2012 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 46 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1980 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Science, by definition, does not possess the requirement to comform to anyone's word. If it did, it would not be science. And this is precisely why there is a Faith Vs. Science, and the name of this subforum is appropriate. Hi Viole, you mean that science does not possess the requirement to conform to the words of Christians (or other religious people but let's focus on Christianity here). From this you infer that there must be a conflict between Christian faith and science. I don't agree with that conclusion and you didn't give any grounds, btw.. In my opinion, science always conforms to God's word if performed properly. In this I agree with the OP. Blessings Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas t Posted December 14, 2012 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 46 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1980 Share Posted December 14, 2012 can you make an example of a scientific theory that does not conform to God's Word because it has not been performed properly? Hi Viole, no, I cannot make such example. Or do you filter correctness using conformity to God's Word? IOW: X theory is surely not correct because it does not conform to God's Word. Well, I'm not so much interested in scientific theories. In this, I am different than you. I am happy to use products that came out of scientific research, though. Ciao Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas t Posted December 14, 2012 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 46 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1980 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Viole, I base my attitudes on faith in the living and almighty God, who is here right among us. Here you're pretending to speak for us: Everybody is happy to use the products of science (with the possible exception of the Unabomber), and this is why believers do not want to see a conflict between science and faith. [bolded mine] Viole, I find it quite nerve-racking that you implicitely brag about being able to know us when you don't show any understanding for the Bible. We love God, we trust him this is why we are happy to use his products. In any case, science has priority, [...my snip...] ... for both believers and unbelievers. Are you again pretending to speak for us believers? I would find it awkward that you assume to be able to speak for us. Can I ask you to leave your assumptions in the field of atheistic attitudes (if anybody is interested in this here)? I would like to speak for myself. Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas t Posted December 14, 2012 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 46 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1980 Share Posted December 14, 2012 Viole, I base my attitudes on faith in the living and almighty God, who is here right among us. Here you're pretending to speak for us: Everybody is happy to use the products of science (with the possible exception of the Unabomber), and this is why believers do not want to see a conflict between science and faith. [bolded mine] Viole, I find it quite nerve-racking that you implicitely brag about being able to know us when you don't show any understanding for the Bible. We love God, we trust him this is why we are happy to use his products. In any case, science has priority, [...my snip...] ... for both believers and unbelievers. Are you again pretending to speak for us believers? I would find it awkward that you assume to be able to speak for us. Can I ask you to leave your assumptions in the field of atheistic attitudes (if anybody is interested in this here)? I would like to speak for myself. Thomas Alles klar. Why are you so sensitive? Exposed nerve? [...] So, keep cool, and try to articulate a sensible rebuttal for my, potentially wrong, arguments. Ciao - viole Viole, nice to read some German. However, what I don't like is the following rubbish: you put up a claim about us. And when I tell you I don't like it, you suggest that I should provide a rebuttal. Are you robbing my time resources? Please stay with your opinions in the field of atheistic attitudes, then I keep cool. But I will never be shown to be wrong (which I do not necessarily dislike) by using emotional thinking. you seem to show quite a sound self-esteem in presenting your opinions about us believers. I don't have any idea how that could be justified... Have a cool evening Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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