MorningGlory Posted November 13, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.14 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2012 This article was written by 'unknown'? Yeah, that's credible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 13, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.97 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 All Egyptians including Christians are better of under democracy with all its manifest imperfections than under the dictatorship of Mubarak. That doesn't mean I'm a fan of the reactionaries of the MB. As to what I support. Well I'm a Libertarian Socialist so I would like to see a left-wing government that would introduce policies to give the milllions of Egyptians who currently live in poverty a decent life. Under Mubarak and of course still many of those living in squalor were and are Christians. The families living in filth on the rubbish tips of Cairo and Alexandria eking out a living recycling others trash are Christians. The only thing Mubarak did for them was to use the swine fever hysteria to have their pigs confiscated and slaughtered. I keep hearing about increases in persecution of Christians in Egypt, not less. Like this article And if the Muslim Brotherhood succeeds in implementing Sharia Law (see here), what will you say then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted November 14, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.14 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 14, 2012 This article was written by 'unknown'? Yeah, that's credible. Didn't you know I write for "Investor's Business Daily?" I'm shocked...shocked, I tell you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amor Posted November 14, 2012 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,194 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 34 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 14, 2012 Nebula, attacks like the ones you highlighted are nothing new. Similar things happened under Mubarak way before the revolt against him. But anyway its rime I feel for me to ask a direct question. Do you think that the overthrow of Mubarak could have been avoided? If you don't all the finger wagging in the world is pointless Personally as I've made clear I believe it was unstoppable. In the same way that the events of 1989 in Eastern Europe were unstoppable or, indeed, those of 1917, 1789 or 1776. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted November 14, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.14 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 14, 2012 Nebula, attacks like the ones you highlighted are nothing new. Similar things happened under Mubarak way before the revolt against him. But anyway its rime I feel for me to ask a direct question. Do you think that the overthrow of Mubarak could have been avoided? If you don't all the finger wagging in the world is pointless Personally as I've made clear I believe it was unstoppable. In the same way that the events of 1989 in Eastern Europe were unstoppable or, indeed, those of 1917, 1789 or 1776. The U.S. is often considered to be the arbitrator and supervisor of the world.....we are not. If Egypt wanted to overthrow Mubarak, they wouldn't need American anything to do so. Let's be real here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 15, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.97 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 Nebula, attacks like the ones you highlighted are nothing new. Similar things happened under Mubarak way before the revolt against him. But anyway its rime I feel for me to ask a direct question. Do you think that the overthrow of Mubarak could have been avoided? If you don't all the finger wagging in the world is pointless Personally as I've made clear I believe it was unstoppable. In the same way that the events of 1989 in Eastern Europe were unstoppable or, indeed, those of 1917, 1789 or 1776. I'm not sure how that matters. My concern is that you seem to be celebrating the end results. I am not convinced that with the Muslim Brotherhood in charge there will be any more "democratic processes" in Egypt for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amor Posted November 15, 2012 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,194 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 34 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 15, 2012 Well, my conrern or rather puzzlement is your seeming enthusiasm for an octoganarian dictator and your seeming belief that Egyptians unlike the British or Americans should not be allowed to choose their own government. As to the MB its success is at least in part down to the fact that it was the only opposition group with any freedom to organise at all under Mubarak. I'd also like to point out that rather than being some unstoppable dark political force their actually riven with division. As to a return to dictatorship well Tahir Square helped show the people how poweeful they are which makes taking such a step near impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 16, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.97 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 Did I ever show enthusiasm for Mubarak? I view this as "jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire." But there was a concept explained I wish I could recall better that explained it is unlikely for Democracy to work in the Mid-East on account of the mindset of the people. "Democracy" as we know it arose out of the thinking of the Enlightenment in Europe. That kind of mindset is needed for "democracy" to work and stick. And that isn't the kind of mindset that exists in these Mid-Eastern states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amor Posted November 16, 2012 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,194 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 34 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 16, 2012 A concept undermined by the fact that there are democracies all over the rest of the non-European world and thst some vile dictatorships have existed within your enlightened zone. The name Adolf Hitler alone sinks your concept. Egyptians are pretty much the same as Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted November 17, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.14 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 17, 2012 Obama has gotten quiet a reputation for the "snubs" he gives people he should not ignore. He might consider the fact that he could possibly want to do some traveling once out of office and someone may want to get back at him. Obama is just as hated in the Muslim world as GWB was.....read THEIR news sites for yourself. That is true. Though he is helping the Muslim Brotherhood take over the middle east (not that they really need his help) Obama has had a lot of osama's people gunned down with drones. that makes him high on the bad list, for the worst thing anyone can do including any Muslim is to kill a Muslim without legal cause. Obama is not a muslim.....look to actions and not the words of his enemies. I believe he is a Christian; he's just not a strong one. Being raised by an atheist is probably behind that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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