OneLight Posted November 16, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 16, 2012 I agree that the petitions won't likely do any good, but I did sign the one for North Carolina anyway. We have the required 25,000 signatures to be considered. I have been thinking about this third party idea, and perhaps I was wrong? I think we have come to the place where we need a third party, and it should be called, The Secessionist Party. The main purpose of this party is to push for secession from the union, and the formation of a new government, where the main power lies with the states. As I said, I don't believe the petitions will do any good, but that doesn't mean we can't succeed in leaving the union. I believe this needs to be done at the country level first, where it has the best chance of success. That is exactly what we once were. It was not until the government thought they could handle certain aspects of life in the US better than the states because they could raise more taxes to support their programs that we started moving away from the forefathers ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedByGrace1981 Posted November 16, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,923 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/02/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/22/1953 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I agree that the petitions won't likely do any good, but I did sign the one for North Carolina anyway. We have the required 25,000 signatures to be considered. I have been thinking about this third party idea, and perhaps I was wrong? I think we have come to the place where we need a third party, and it should be called, The Secessionist Party. The main purpose of this party is to push for secession from the union, and the formation of a new government, where the main power lies with the states. As I said, I don't believe the petitions will do any good, but that doesn't mean we can't succeed in leaving the union. I believe this needs to be done at the country level first, where it has the best chance of success. That is exactly what we once were. It was not until the government thought they could handle certain aspects of life in the US better than the states because they could raise more taxes to support their programs that we started moving away from the forefathers ideas. And the states have to operate within balanced budgets. The FED gov does not - it can print all the "money" it needs (or at least until the supply of green ink runs out) Blessings! -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 16, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,156 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,444 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Personally, I am tired of just two major parties dominating the political agenda. Yet, the others are so far off what is considered as "normal thinking" they don't' have a chance. I don't think there will ever be a white knight for our government before Christ returns, but it would be nice to drop the political affiliations when it comes to voting and vote for what the person will do or try to do without the us and them attitude. Political parties - That would be a good topic for it's own thread, maybe. I think the reason they form is the human desire to create alliances - in any legislative body, there is an "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" mentality. That seems to morph into general alliances, and those alliances become political parties. One question I have (which I have my own thoughts on, but I'd like to hear others' opinions) - why does the US seem to be unique in the world in that it has only 2 viable political parties - whereas other countries have multiple parties? Personally, I don't believe parties in and of themselves are "bad" - at worst, they are probably a necessary evil. What is negative however, IMHO, is the partisan attitudes we see exhibited by some here in the US (I can only speak to the attitudes I see here - I don't know to what extent it exists in other countries). I've seen cases where partisanship seems to replace thought. With some, political party becomes their religion. That is sad. Blessings! -Ed I have seen that very thing myself, someone insists that HIS/HER party is founded on Christian values and someone else believes theirs to be. Both are wrong; there is NO Christian party in our country, in fact the two parties we are stuck with are so vile that to call them Christian ANYTHING is flat out disgusting. I wanna go home..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinM Posted November 16, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted November 16, 2012 how embarrassing for our country. One party loses an election and this happens. What is next, armed riots like we see in the Middle East? Actually we would be seeing that, had PBHO lost re-election: http://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/157967-obama-supporters-threaten-assassination-and-riots/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinM Posted November 16, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,512 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 625 Days Won: 10 Joined: 04/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/07/1979 Share Posted November 16, 2012 The citizens are using their 1st Amendment right to Petition the Government, who cares what the petitions are about, we should cheer them on for working within the Constitutional process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted November 16, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted November 16, 2012 "....full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 16, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted November 16, 2012 As a citizen of the US I am embarrassed by this sort of thing. It reminds me of a kid in the playground that gets mad and take the ball and goes home. as a 20 year Marine I am mad about this sort of thing. I did not spend almost half of my life protecting the country and the constitution so that when an election does not go their way people want to take their ball and go home. This is the sort of thing you see in 3rd world countries, not the greatest country on the planet. What's funny is that people act this way and then wonder why our politicians can come together and get things accomplished for the good of the country. Gator, on the surface I can appreciate your sentiment. However, we have a president who at one time stated the Constitution is outdated. Is our president interested in protecting our constitution? While yes, people are angry, if you search deeper you will find such people are actually frightened as to where this nation is heading and don't know what else to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedByGrace1981 Posted November 16, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,923 Content Per Day: 0.61 Reputation: 462 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/02/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/22/1953 Share Posted November 16, 2012 then I would suggest they pack their bags and leave, there are lots of other countries that one can live in. Funny, but I guess it is true that, given enough time, things tend to go full circle. There was a popular bumper sticker in the 60s': AMERICA: LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT I'll leave it at that. Blessings! -Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted November 16, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted November 16, 2012 Has anyone considered that this secession thing could be a trap of some kind? I just heard talk that the petitions appear to have been started by a "core group of people", according to the same signatures showing up on different states (haven't verified yet myself) .Anybody else heard any thing like that? Could the president use this as an excuse to declare martial law, citing civil unrest? Or is this setting the stage for actual unrest, which has been brewing quietly anyway since before the election? For Pete's sake (and ours!) is there ANYTHING that isn't being made into a conspiracy theory these days? I read the above and laughed out loud.....give it a rest, will you? (Not just you, everyone!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 16, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Gator, on the surface I can appreciate your sentiment. However, we have a president who at one time stated the Constitution is outdated. Is our president interested in protecting our constitution? While yes, people are angry, if you search deeper you will find such people are actually frightened as to where this nation is heading and don't know what else to do. then I would suggest they pack their bags and leave, there are lots of other countries that one can live in. after a few weeks/months they would realize that things are not so bad and maybe come to their senese. Come on, Gator, you should know that kind of attitude isn't going to resolve anything. yep, I remember that. But I am not even asking people to love it, I am asking them not to break it. But preople believe it's already broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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