Fez Posted November 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I don't think we will be thinking much about hell while in heaven, because from what I hear there is no worry, anxiety, etc in heaven....... But if for a moment we were to think of hell, from heaven, the worst aspect would be knowing that there were people whom I loved, and loved me, that were there instead of having chosen, oh so easily, heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scargirl Posted November 26, 2012 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 15 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/09/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 26, 2012 being apart from the glory of God, for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 26, 2012 I don't accept the later translations that describe a brimstone and fire "Hell", so burning isn't a concern. I accept the wisdom gleaned through the Psalms chapter 139 and verse 8 that assure even if contrary to plans I ended up in Sheol I would still be in the presence of God. so the worst aspect for me is being in the underworld or grave for eternity. Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. Why do you reject what scripture tells us about the lake of fire in Revelation? Why do you not have the assurance of salvation, which scripture also tells us about? Have you not accepted Christ and been sealed by His Spirit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinky Posted November 26, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,602 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 291 Days Won: 8 Joined: 10/24/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1986 Author Share Posted November 26, 2012 I think you missed the scripture that I shared in my post. What does that have to do with the reality of the Lake of Fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted November 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.81 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 26, 2012 The worst aspects of Hell? Hell – A place of weeping and gnashing of teeth. Luke 13:18 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. Hell – It will be a furnace of fire with wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matt. 13:40-43 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear! Hell – a place of darkness, weeping, and gnashing of teeth. (Matt. 22:11-13; Matt. 25:29-30) Matt. 22:11-13 11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. 12 So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. 13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and[a] cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ Matt. 25:29-30 29 ‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ Hell - The punishment will be everlasting separation from the presence of God. (2 Thess. 1:9) 2 Thess. 1:9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power… Hell – a place where people will be burned with fire and brimstone. Rev. 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Hell - Those who receive the Mark of the Beast (and reject Christ) will be tormented forever and will have no rest. Rev. 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” Hell – Again there will be torments in Hell (Hades – vs. 23). There will be no satisfaction as people will be constantly thirsty and tormented by the flame. (vs. 24) There will be no going to and from the good part of eternity to the bad. (vs. 26) Luke 16:19-31 The Rich Man and Lazarus 19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell[d] from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’ 27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’” That is the bad news... Yet there is hope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted November 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.81 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 26, 2012 Yet there is hope… If we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in our heart that God has raised Him from the dead we will be saved. (v. 9) Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. (v. 13) Rom. 10:8-13 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”[e] (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[f] 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”[g] God bless, GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 26, 2012 I don't accept the later translations that describe a brimstone and fire "Hell", so burning isn't a concern. I accept the wisdom gleaned through the Psalms chapter 139 and verse 8 that assure even if contrary to plans I ended up in Sheol I would still be in the presence of God. so the worst aspect for me is being in the underworld or grave for eternity. Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. Why do you reject what scripture tells us about the lake of fire in Revelation? Why do you not have the assurance of salvation, which scripture also tells us about? Have you not accepted Christ and been sealed by His Spirit? I think you missed the scripture that I shared in my post. I missed nothing. In fact, your scripture comes against what you posted. I think you are avoiding my questions. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 26, 2012 I'm not avoiding your question at all. My post speaks from scripture. I think you're looking for an argument where there is none. Why? I am not looking for an argument, but an explanation. Why? Because of your own words. Allow me to show you ... I don't accept the later translations that describe a brimstone and fire "Hell", so burning isn't a concern. Why do you reject what scripture tells us about the lake of fire in Revelation? I accept the wisdom gleaned through the Psalms chapter 139 and verse 8 that assure even if contrary to plans I ended up in Sheol I would still be in the presence of God. so the worst aspect for me is being in the underworld or grave for eternity. Why do you not have the assurance of salvation, which scripture also tells us about? Have you not accepted Christ and been sealed by His Spirit? Both questions relate to your statements. They are simple questions to understand you better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted November 26, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.81 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 26, 2012 I don't accept the later translations that describe a brimstone and fire "Hell", so burning isn't a concern. I accept the wisdom gleaned through the Psalms chapter 139 and verse 8 that assure even if contrary to plans I ended up in Sheol I would still be in the presence of God. so the worst aspect for me is being in the underworld or grave for eternity. Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. Regarding this underlined did you see this post? Are you saying you disagree? If so based on what passages of Scripture do you disagree? This section in bold is what we're trying to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I don't accept the later translations that describe a brimstone and fire "Hell", so burning isn't a concern. I accept the wisdom gleaned through the Psalms chapter 139 and verse 8 that assure even if contrary to plans I ended up in Sheol I would still be in the presence of God. so the worst aspect for me is being in the underworld or grave for eternity. Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. Why do you reject what scripture tells us about the lake of fire in Revelation? Why do you not have the assurance of salvation, which scripture also tells us about? Have you not accepted Christ and been sealed by His Spirit? I think you missed the scripture that I shared in my post. The problem is that you are assuming that those Scriptures present the full picture they don't. Hell is a real place of burning torment, separation from God in the underworld forever and ever. The reality of hell is seen in the passages you cite and many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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