Matthitjah Posted February 5, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2013 I really do believe we will see some kind of armed resistance or major physical disruptions in this Nation within the next 4 years as people just get completely fed up. One thing we are not here in the U.S. is a bunch of Socialist's. it's not our nature. At least half of us that is. We were born and steeped in Independence. We won't go silently into losing our personal Liberty. What moral justification would there be to take up arms, presumably trying to kill or maim government employees, just to protest against the healthcare policies, discussed in depth before his election, of a Democratically elected President? T If you want to change policies why can't you try and do so using the political structure available and if you can't convince a majority accept the reality. Why wouldn't such attacks be classed as terrorism? You severly misunderstand American culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 5, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,096 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,834 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted February 5, 2013 amour, I won't attempt to answer for Dave, but I would like to bring attention to your scripture. There is a big difference in what Jesus was talking about in his day and today. We do not have an emperor in the US, our controlling force here is the Constitution and Law. It is not the President, or Congress or the Supreme Court for that matter. We are not a Democracy, but a Republic, so we don't necessarily do things by the rule of the majority. However I do agree with you that we do have a legally elected Congress, but I'm not sure about the President, but I won't push that right now. but the crux of the problem is whether or not the Affordable Healthcare Act is Constitutional. Some people do not think that it is, and we as a nation are going to have to work through this and resolve it. but your misuse of scripture here bothered me enough to want to reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted February 5, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2013 I disagree with that. The government, may define the law, but it doesnt define, right and wrong, the Bible defines right and wrong. Thou shalt not steal, is in the Bible. That is theft. If the government says its legal, it may be legal theft, but its still wrong, and still theft. These are Jesus' words on paying taxes to the secular authorities 15 Then the Pharisees went and plotted to entrap him in what he said. 16 So they sent their disciples to him, along with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that you are sincere, and teach the way of God in accordance with truth, and show deference to no one; for you do not regard people with partiality. 17 Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to the emperor, or not?” 18 But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why are you putting me to the test, you hypocrites? 19 Show me the coin used for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. 20 Then he said to them, “Whose head is this, and whose title?” 21 They answered, “The emperor’s.” Then he said to them, “Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the emperor’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” 22 When they heard this, they were amazed; and they left him and went away. Does that mean that we should disobey God and support Federally Funded Abortions? Should we obey God or man? Should we business owners in the U.S. disobey God and pay for Insurance plans that violate our Faith in support of abortifacients? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 6, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 6, 2013 If you want to change policies why can't you try and do so using the political structure available Unfortunately, the "political structure available" is far too corrupted. I'm not going to even try to convince you of that, but it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amor Posted February 8, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,194 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 34 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2013 amour, I won't attempt to answer for Dave, but I would like to bring attention to your scripture. There is a big difference in what Jesus was talking about in his day and today. We do not have an emperor in the US, our controlling force here is the Constitution and Law. It is not the President, or Congress or the Supreme Court for that matter. We are not a Democracy, but a Republic, so we don't necessarily do things by the rule of the majority. However I do agree with you that we do have a legally elected Congress, but I'm not sure about the President, but I won't push that right now. but the crux of the problem is whether or not the Affordable Healthcare Act is Constitutional. Some people do not think that it is, and we as a nation are going to have to work through this and resolve it. but your misuse of scripture here bothered me enough to want to reply. What constitutional hurdles remain? whether you like it or not the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbitrator and affirms the constitutionallegality of this law legality. Some of you might not agree, but since you aren't Supreme Court justices or Congressmen or the President your not in a position to do anything to stop these laws coming into force. As to my use of the Bible. Well the currency you use is issued by the governing powers as was the currency in Rome. Furthermore the Roman regime had no Constitutional checks and balances, was tyrannical and extremly violent. Remember it was they who went on to crucify Jesus. You may not like your modern Caesars but it is still them that issue and control the money in your wallets an bank accounts. One of the things Jesus teaches us is to detach ourselves from materialist obsessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amor Posted February 8, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,194 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 34 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2013 I really do believe we will see some kind of armed resistance or major physical disruptions in this Nation within the next 4 years as people just get completely fed up. One thing we are not here in the U.S. is a bunch of Socialist's. it's not our nature. At least half of us that is. We were born and steeped in Independence. We won't go silently into losing our personal Liberty. What moral justification would there be to take up arms, presumably trying to kill or maim government employees, just to protest against the healthcare policies, discussed in depth before his election, of a Democratically elected President? T If you want to change policies why can't you try and do so using the political structure available and if you can't convince a majority accept the reality. Why wouldn't such attacks be classed as terrorism? You severly misunderstand American culture. Your cultural backgroud is irrelevant. I challenge the belief that in a situation such as this that resorting to violence is an acceptable and indeed Christian option. If you wish to protest do so there are plenty of effective non-viloent ways of getting your message across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amor Posted February 8, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,194 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 34 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2013 If you want to change policies why can't you try and do so using the political structure available Unfortunately, the "political structure available" is far too corrupted. I'm not going to even try to convince you of that, but it is. At the risk of being accused of "pro-Americanism" I would point out that its far better and much less corrupt than in most parts of the world and at most points in the past history of the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 8, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,096 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,834 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted February 8, 2013 amour, I won't attempt to answer for Dave, but I would like to bring attention to your scripture. There is a big difference in what Jesus was talking about in his day and today. We do not have an emperor in the US, our controlling force here is the Constitution and Law. It is not the President, or Congress or the Supreme Court for that matter. We are not a Democracy, but a Republic, so we don't necessarily do things by the rule of the majority. However I do agree with you that we do have a legally elected Congress, but I'm not sure about the President, but I won't push that right now. but the crux of the problem is whether or not the Affordable Healthcare Act is Constitutional. Some people do not think that it is, and we as a nation are going to have to work through this and resolve it. but your misuse of scripture here bothered me enough to want to reply. What constitutional hurdles remain? whether you like it or not the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbitrator and affirms the constitutionallegality of this law legality. Some of you might not agree, but since you aren't Supreme Court justices or Congressmen or the President your not in a position to do anything to stop these laws coming into force. As to my use of the Bible. Well the currency you use is issued by the governing powers as was the currency in Rome. Furthermore the Roman regime had no Constitutional checks and balances, was tyrannical and extremly violent. Remember it was they who went on to crucify Jesus. You may not like your modern Caesars but it is still them that issue and control the money in your wallets an bank accounts. One of the things Jesus teaches us is to detach ourselves from materialist obsessions LoL in reality Evelyn Rothschild has more to do with the money in my wallet than does any US politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted February 8, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2013 I really do believe we will see some kind of armed resistance or major physical disruptions in this Nation within the next 4 years as people just get completely fed up. One thing we are not here in the U.S. is a bunch of Socialist's. it's not our nature. At least half of us that is. We were born and steeped in Independence. We won't go silently into losing our personal Liberty. What moral justification would there be to take up arms, presumably trying to kill or maim government employees, just to protest against the healthcare policies, discussed in depth before his election, of a Democratically elected President? T If you want to change policies why can't you try and do so using the political structure available and if you can't convince a majority accept the reality. Why wouldn't such attacks be classed as terrorism? You severly misunderstand American culture. Your cultural backgroud is irrelevant. I challenge the belief that in a situation such as this that resorting to violence is an acceptable and indeed Christian option. If you wish to protest do so there are plenty of effective non-viloent ways of getting your message across. Pacifism is a Foreign concept in scripture. By the way, I'm not advocating it. I'm telling you that from my cultural experience that Americans aren't going to continue to live under the thumb of an oppresive Government whether you believe it's a wise choice or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amor Posted February 11, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,194 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 34 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/18/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2013 By the way, I'm not advocating it. I'm telling you that from my cultural experience that Americans aren't going to continue to live under the thumb of an oppresive Government whether you believe it's a wise choice or not. Whatever I think is irrelevant, such behaviour would be wrong, because you clearly do not live under an oppresive government, but one with a very clear popular mandate to govern and legislate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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