paulajeanne Posted May 15, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 26 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/29/1976 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Some say we will not go to heaven untill Jesus comes...."the dead will rise first".... So many times in the Bible it says that We will reunite in Heaven when He comes. It's not clear to me ... Are the dead in Heaven? I always believed my loved ones died and went right up to see our Lord and that there looking down on us... Then one day I heard a preacher say that's not so. We are in the grave untill Heaven is ready and the 2nd comming of Christ..... Now I'm confused.. Help... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 15, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2013 I have heard another version of this.That after Jesus died on the Cross he went up to His Father and then he went to Paradise and took all those believers in Paradise to heaven. Our souls immediately leave the body when we die and go to heaven or paradise.I am thinking it is heaven.The Adventists believe in "Soul Sleep" that our souls stay in our bodies when we die until Christ comes back.This is not Biblical. http://www.gotquesti...g/paradise.html Question: "What is paradise? Is it different than Heaven?" Answer: The word paradise is used as a synonym for “heaven” (2 Corinthians 12:4; Revelation 2:7). When Jesus was dying on the cross and one of the thieves being crucified with Him asked Him for mercy, Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). Jesus knew that His death was imminent and that He would soon be in heaven with His Father. Therefore, Jesus used “paradise” as a synonym for “heaven.” What we do know for sure is that there has always been a separation of believers and unbelievers (Luke 16:19-31). The righteous have always gone to paradise; the wicked have always gone to hell (hades). For right now, both heaven (paradise) and hell (Sheol) are “temporary holding places” until the day when Jesus Christ comes back to judge the world based on whether or not they have believed in Him. The first resurrection is of believers who will stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ to receive rewards based on meritorious service to Him. The second resurrection will be that of unbelievers who will stand before the Great White Throne Judgment of God. At this point, all will be sent to their eternal destination—the wicked to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15), and the righteous to a new heaven and a new earth (Revelation 21-22). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulajeanne Posted May 15, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 26 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/29/1976 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 Oh Wow! Bopeep...Thank you for the supporting scriptures with your answer. I instantly understood ! I see why false Christianity ruins True Christianity. No wonder why so many people are lost. Man twisting truth by there misunderstood information and by not studying the Bible properly ! Thank Jesus for People who know biblical Truth and not man's truth. God Bless you! Amen !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He giveth more grace Posted May 15, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 123 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,049 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 267 Days Won: 9 Joined: 10/22/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2013 6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Cor. 6-8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulajeanne Posted May 15, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 26 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/29/1976 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 Please anyone who can add to this to make it clearer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulajeanne Posted May 15, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 26 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/29/1976 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 (edited) I need a way I can simplify this to others lol Edited May 15, 2013 by paulajeanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted May 15, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted May 15, 2013 When I became a Christian I was taught that we go to a place called heaven immediately after death. Then I began to read the bible and it became quite clear that it was not so cut and dry. People have a pressing need for assurance and answers so they will take simple verses from scripture to seek to validate any position that comforts them. I am not exactly sure myself. For every scripture that seemingly says one thing there are others that speak to the contrary. I have come to believe that death is very complex and that we are not meant to understand the specifics outside of trusting in God to preserve us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted May 15, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted May 15, 2013 When Jesus was on the Cross their were two thieves next to Him.One of the thieves responded to the message of salvation and one did not.Jesus said to the one who responded to His message "Today you will be with me in Paradise". He did not say "Your soul will remain in your body and I will see you when I come back in Glory".The thieve's soul was immediately going to be with Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulajeanne Posted May 15, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 26 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/29/1976 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 Right...Bopeep..... What gdemoss said is EXACTLY why I get confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulajeanne Posted May 15, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 26 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/11/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/29/1976 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 What you said about heaven I got taught also... Then I read the Bible and get confused because it does seem not cut and dry..then I read "today you will be in paradise" and that to me seems cut and dry.... Ahhhhhhh ! (; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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