JohnD Posted June 14, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,644 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,831 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 14, 2013 1. People misinterpret the 70th Week of Daniel to be one 7-year tribulation period (when it is two 3.5-year tribulations). 2. People mistake the Christians' "out" in the Great Tribulation as an "out" from all tribulation or turmoil or strife... and as Chuck Missler says... this goes against what most Christians have suffered through most of history. The "out " that we have is that as far as God is concerned, the wrath that we justly deserve was meted out on the cross of Christ. The Great Tribulation is God's wrath poured out on the unbelieving and the devil. The preceding tribulation will be the devil's wrath against God (which is directed at his people... remember how Jesus asked Paul who persecuted the Church "Why do you persecute ME?"). Revelation 12:17 (NKJV) 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 13:5-10 (NKJV) 5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. The one rapture will take place PRE- great tribulation MID- 70th Week of Daniel (which is not traditional Mid-trib because it subscribes to the one 7-year tribulation period) POST- believer's tribulation So all three camps had the scriptures quotes right to back them up they just got the 70th Week of Daniel wrong... {click on image to enlarge} Daniel 7:25 (NKJV) 25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time. time + times + 1/2 time (3 1/2 years) also in: Revelation 12:14 (NKJV) 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. the same as: Revelation 11:2 (NKJV) 2 “But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. Revelation 13:5 (NKJV) 5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. and in: Revelation 11:3 (NKJV) 3 “And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” Revelation 12:6 (NKJV) 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days. All 3 1/2 years to a Prophetic 360-day year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgl1023 Posted June 22, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 7 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/05/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted June 22, 2013 Your focus is on the tribulation generally. The group that is spared the tribulation is the 'body of Christ', the born again believers who meet Jesus in the air as He comes for His body, 1 Thess 4:13-18. A much overlooked fact is that for people to participate in the rapture, they must believe in the rapture. This is no different than any other part of the New Covenant. Faith is required per Heb 11:6, ... without faith it is impossible to please God ...The people in the rapture are sons od God and God will watch after His own and make a way of escape. He did it for as few as 8 with Noah and his family in Gen 6. Sons of God have no need to fear the tribulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted June 22, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.82 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 22, 2013 Your focus is on the tribulation generally. The group that is spared the tribulation is the 'body of Christ', the born again believers who meet Jesus in the air as He comes for His body, 1 Thess 4:13-18. A much overlooked fact is that for people to participate in the rapture, they must believe in the rapture. This is no different than any other part of the New Covenant. Faith is required per Heb 11:6, ... without faith it is impossible to please God ...The people in the rapture are sons od God and God will watch after His own and make a way of escape. He did it for as few as 8 with Noah and his family in Gen 6. Sons of God have no need to fear the tribulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthquaker Posted June 23, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 14 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/21/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 23, 2013 A much overlooked fact is that for people to participate in the rapture, they must believe in the rapture. Does that mean Christians who don't believe that the rapture will occur will not be raptured if it does occur? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 A much overlooked fact is that for people to participate in the rapture, they must believe in the rapture. Does that mean Christians who don't believe that the rapture will occur will not be raptured if it does occur? ~ All That Is Needed Is Faith In Jesus and The Rapture Is All About The First Resurrection And When One (IMO) Correctly Looks At It As The First Resurrection, The Timing Becomes Clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted June 24, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,228 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,649 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2013 Joe, perhaps we should always be looking for the coming of Jesus for His own. His coming is closer now than it was before, and we should always be ready. I sometimes tease people with a joke about leaving the rest of the church till after the wrath. i hope that no one has taken me seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 .... perhaps we should always be looking for the coming of Jesus for His own. His coming is closer now than it was before, and we should always be ready..... Amen~! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted June 25, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2013 Why do some always think that we love our children, husbands or wives or for that matter ourselves more than Jesus loves HIs bride? Why do some think that we would risk our lives for our loved ones to keep them from suffering more than Jesus His bride? Why is man in his arrogance thinking that he is much more loving than Jesus who gave His life for us? He is coming and He is going to save His bride His loved one from Satan's attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted June 25, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2013 Why do some always think that we love our children, husbands or wives or for that matter ourselves more than Jesus loves HIs bride? Why do some think that we would risk our lives for our loved ones to keep them from suffering more than Jesus His bride? Why is man in his arrogance thinking that he is much more loving than Jesus who gave His life for us? He is coming and He is going to save His bride His loved one from Satan's attacks. Absolutely, Littlelambs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted June 25, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Why do some always think that we love our children, husbands or wives or for that matter ourselves more than Jesus loves HIs bride? Why do some think that we would risk our lives for our loved ones to keep them from suffering more than Jesus His bride? Why is man in his arrogance thinking that he is much more loving than Jesus who gave His life for us? He is coming and He is going to save His bride His loved one from Satan's attacks. The truth is right there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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