InfoCentral Posted September 12, 2013 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 79 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/13/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2013 Info, I implore you to not distribute those DVDs to high school students. I watched the full video online, there is nothing of substance in it. Oh, its going to happen and if all goes well there are 5 other high schools close by that will be next; some public, some private. If you want a film with more substance in in then there is one on the way that is geared towards apologetics. Evolution vs God focus is evangelistic. Genesis Movie This should help demonstrate to people that there are diversity of opinions about this matter, even on a relatively conservative type Christian forum. Is theistic evolution really an option for Christians? I think not. You have to rewrite the whole purpose of God and man to support it. An entire universe … wasted on us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaparticle Posted September 12, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2013 This should help demonstrate to people that there are diversity of opinions about this matter, even on a relatively conservative type Christian forum. Is theistic evolution really an option for Christians? I think not. You have to rewrite the whole purpose of God and man to support it. An entire universe … wasted on us? No, that does not follow. Just because God would create us via evolution rather than some other method has nothing to do with goals, intentions or purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfoCentral Posted September 12, 2013 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 79 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/13/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) No, that does not follow. Just because God would create us via evolution rather than some other method has nothing to do with goals, intentions or purpose. Ah, but it does because you have death as a creative process to produce evolutionary man. The bible says that death resulted because of sin entering into the world through mans disobedience. So you have man fully created then death entering into the world. Edited September 12, 2013 by InfoCentral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 No, that does not follow. Just because God would create us via evolution rather than some other method has nothing to do with goals, intentions or purpose. Ah, but it does because you have death as a creative process to produce evolutionary man. The bible says that death resulted because of sin entering into the world through mans disobedience. So you have man fully created then death entering into the world. ~ Amen In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:1-3 Evolution Worships Death And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrews 9:27 The Very Curse Of Sin, As The Giver Of Life But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:20-22 And Mocks Our LORD And Savior For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 With Every Laughing Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. Psalms 1:1-2 Speculation Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 2 Corinthians 10:5 ~ Stand Fast Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong. Let all your things be done with charity. 1 Corinthians 16:13-14 And Be Blessed Beloved As free, and not using your liberty for a cloak of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 1 Peter 2:16 Love, Your Brother Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaparticle Posted September 13, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted September 13, 2013 No, that does not follow. Just because God would create us via evolution rather than some other method has nothing to do with goals, intentions or purpose. Ah, but it does because you have death as a creative process to produce evolutionary man. The bible says that death resulted because of sin entering into the world through mans disobedience. So you have man fully created then death entering into the world. How about 'death' = spirit separation here? It's clear from the Genesis account that Adam and Eve did not immediately die after partaking of the forbidden fruit, so a non physical death sentence has to be assumed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ninhao Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 And death came upon the inspired men. Rom_5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfoCentral Posted September 13, 2013 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 79 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/13/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 13, 2013 How about 'death' = spirit separation here? It's clear from the Genesis account that Adam and Eve did not immediately die after partaking of the forbidden fruit, so a non physical death sentence has to be assumed. No, I don't see Adam and Eve walking around. I think you can rest assured they physically died. I also don't think death = spirit separation. I think death = eternal judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDavis Posted September 13, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,740 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 183 Days Won: 7 Joined: 07/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1964 Share Posted September 13, 2013 How about 'death' = spirit separation here? It's clear from the Genesis account that Adam and Eve did not immediately die after partaking of the forbidden fruit, so a non physical death sentence has to be assumed. No, I don't see Adam and Eve walking around. I think you can rest assured they physically died. I also don't think death = spirit separation. I think death = eternal judgement. death in the Bible does not equal eternal punishment. Death in the Bible means a separation of two things... physical death is the separation of the soul from the physical body spiritual death is man separated from God being dead to our sin is man separated from their sin. As for Adam and Eve...Gen 2:15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” Adam did not die physically the day he ate of the fruit, but he did die spiritually. Thus just by going by the words of Gen, the death that Adam brought was the spiritual separation from God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaparticle Posted September 13, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted September 13, 2013 Right, as Jdavis pointed out, it clearly specifies they die that same day. They didn't, so it's a safe assumption that physical death of the body was not intended. They were cast out of the garden and out of God's direct presence though, so it further seems reasonable to assume that some kind of spiritual death was meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InfoCentral Posted September 14, 2013 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 79 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/13/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2013 Adam did not die physically the day he ate of the fruit, but he did die spiritually. Thus just by going by the words of Gen, the death that Adam brought was the spiritual separation from God. That interpretation certainly would not bring cohesion with the rest of scripture in regards to sin and death. III. THE THREATENED PENALTIES OF DISOBEDIENCE. Where you may first notice the terms of the sentence, in respect to time. “In the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.” Some persons see a difficulty in this passage, because the sentence of death was not executed upon the day of transgression; but this arises from overlooking the exact import of the Hebrew words used, which would fairly admit of being rendered as referring not to the actual infliction of death, so much as subjecting man to the liability to die. It imports, that he should from that moment become mortal, that there should be the beginnings and seeds of dissolution incorporated with his very being, from the time he tasted of that tree. This rendering will receive some elucidation, if you look at the marginal rendering which is proposed. You will observe, it is there said, “dying, thou shalt die.” Now, this is a common Hebraism for some continuous and gradually accomplished act. And therefore the import of the words is, that from the moment this tree was tasted, there should be the beginnings of a death which should reach to all his posterity. The same continuousness of action applies to a former part of the verse; for there too, you observe, the same marginal reference is given. It is said, “eating, thou shalt eat,” just as here it is said, “dying, thou shalt die”; and therefore the two expressions may be interpreted alike—the one as saying, “Eating, thou shalt eat,” or, “This tree shall be for thy perpetual life,” the other as saying, “Dying, thou shalt die,” or, “The taste of this tree shall be for thy perpetual death.” (Source: The Biblical Illustrator) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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