BlessedByTheBest Posted October 28, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 631 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/24/2012 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 If there is proof that a God exists why are religions still called FAITHS? I don't understand the question? Please elucidate or at the very least expound? The Topic is 'Proof that God exists', which everyone seems to agree with, I am asking, 'If there is proof that a God exists why are religions still called FAITHS?' I would also add that, 'if there was proof that a God existed there would be no Atheists'. Christians also don't seem to know what evidence is, they think everyone has their own evidence, evidence is only evidence if it can be seen to be evidence by everyone, feelings do not count as evidence. Religions are called 'faiths' because they are not backed by evidence, faith is required when there is no evidence. We only ever use faith where religion is concerned, we never use faith for anything else, faith is synonymous with religion. evidence of a Creator is plainly seen in creation so that man has no excuse. this alone should be proof enough to a prideful man bereft of an all-encompassing knowledge of the experience in which he is confined. on the contrary, it has been rightfully stated that it requires more faith to state that there is no evidence for God. faith is required because finite man cannot see infinite God and live, not because there is a lack of evidence. and faith is not restricted to religion. i have faith that you will respond to this post, but i have no evidence. since you cannot know that the sun will be shining tomorrow, you must have faith that it will be when you arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted October 28, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Is Christianity a faith? if it is then that's the faith I am talking about. In your perception is Buddhism a faith? If so what do they have faith in? What you are doing is a classic religious defence, If you keep asking questions you will never need to answer any. Suffice to say, you do not use faith in any other part of your life, you may think you do but you don't. Define faith, and then you are at liberty to make such an assertion. Until you define faith you cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray wolf Posted October 28, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,046 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 194 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/25/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/30/1960 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Of course Christianity is a faith. Why the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray wolf Posted October 28, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,046 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 194 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/25/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/30/1960 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I didn't think it left enough room for movement, either. But I would ask, what truths would be different on the spacecraft and the earth apart from what time it is? 4 plus 4 would still equal 8 on the ship as well as back on earth? I am not an expert on relativity, so perhaps this is a simple minded question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlessedByTheBest Posted October 28, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 631 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/24/2012 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 now that i have duped you into looking... this is fun! http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/ I tried it. The first question asked if absolute truth exists, and the way I understood how they defined absolute truth makes Einstein's theory of Relativity disprove their notion of absolute truth as not everything is true for all people in all frames of reference. For example the twin paradox where the first twin takes a spaceship and flies it around the universe at high speeds then comes back to Earth. The first twin will experience time dilation (from our perspective) so to him the trip only takes a few years, but to us on Earth including the second twin the trip took much longer and possibly many lifetimes. So the notion that there is absolute truth that is inherently true for all people in all reference frames of time and space is false as I understand it. So I said that absolute truth does not exist, then for the next question the answers make a false dichotomy: either chose the negation of your previous answer, or say that 'absolute truth is false is absolutely true'. The second statement is an equivocation as I see it, since "absolute truth" in the first part of the statement has a specific definition (which the site gave in the first question) which I do not think corresponds to the second "absolute truth" in this statement, so both choices are false in my mind. But I didn't want to end this "proof" prematurely, so for my second go-round I just put in all the answers they wanted. I got to the end with the "proof" that God exists because without God you can't prove anything, and I was disappointed with the logic they were using after spending so much time propping up logic itself. I hope no one takes this "proof" too seriously. cool D-9! we haven't chatted in a while. i think i understand what you are saying.. "(Absolute Truth - True for all people at all times everywhere)" here is my take on it.. absolute truth must be universal. universal as in, it has always been and always will be. absolute truth transcends time. it is true simultaneously at all points, within and without time's confines. it cannot be affected by outside influence or observation. the truth never changed because it was not dependent upon either of the twins' perspective of it. to proclaim that truth is relative is a relative truth. our conscious reality itself is relative. the truth is(for lack of a better word) , in duality, absolute truth exists and it does not exist. both answers are right! lol this is because any concept of absolute truth we can attempt to describe is relative to our individual perceptions. in unity, absolute truth just is. unified with God through Jesus Christ, Christians "know" absolute truth as far as it can be known on this side of eternity. partaking of the fruit from the tree of knowledge, caused our fall from unity with God. because absoluteness is devoid of relativity, then only that which is infinite can be absolute. my brain hurts.. if you disagree with their definition, how would you word it? God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaparticle Posted October 28, 2013 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 28, 2013 now that i have duped you into looking... this is fun! http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/ I tried it. The first question asked if absolute truth exists, and the way I understood how they defined absolute truth makes Einstein's theory of Relativity disprove their notion of absolute truth as not everything is true for all people in all frames of reference. For example the twin paradox where the first twin takes a spaceship and flies it around the universe at high speeds then comes back to Earth. The first twin will experience time dilation (from our perspective) so to him the trip only takes a few years, but to us on Earth including the second twin the trip took much longer and possibly many lifetimes. So the notion that there is absolute truth that is inherently true for all people in all reference frames of time and space is false as I understand it. So I said that absolute truth does not exist, then for the next question the answers make a false dichotomy: either chose the negation of your previous answer, or say that 'absolute truth is false is absolutely true'. The second statement is an equivocation as I see it, since "absolute truth" in the first part of the statement has a specific definition (which the site gave in the first question) which I do not think corresponds to the second "absolute truth" in this statement, so both choices are false in my mind. But I didn't want to end this "proof" prematurely, so for my second go-round I just put in all the answers they wanted. I got to the end with the "proof" that God exists because without God you can't prove anything, and I was disappointed with the logic they were using after spending so much time propping up logic itself. I hope no one takes this "proof" too seriously. I don't think relativity is a good example contra the notion of 'absolute truth' at all. First, Relativity is formed by assuming that physical laws are invariant- they are the *same* no matter what inertial frame you are in. Second, paradoxes like this have a physical solution. In the twin paradox because one twin has to undergo acceleration the solution can be found to which twin will be older upon meeting. I do agree the site is kind of stupid though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lylow Posted October 29, 2013 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 22 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/27/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) There is only one thing we can say for sure is an absolute truth and that is DEATH and that's what ALL religions are about, they ALL claim to have found the only way to cheat death, which is what makes ALL religions laughable and ALL believers gullible. Please read this before they take it down. Edited October 29, 2013 by Lylow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted October 29, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted October 29, 2013 There is only one thing we can say for sure is an absolute truth and that is DEATH and that's what ALL religions are about, they ALL claim to have found the only way to cheat death, which is what makes ALL religions laughable and ALL believers gullible. Please read this before they take it down. Well how else would they see it before it was taken down besides reading it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lylow Posted October 29, 2013 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 22 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/27/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) There is only one thing we can say for sure is an absolute truth and that is DEATH and that's what ALL religions are about, they ALL claim to have found the only way to cheat death, which is what makes ALL religions laughable and ALL believers gullible. Please read this before they take it down. Well how else would they see it before it was taken down besides reading it? It was a message to the people who take things down to say that we all know they don't like both sides to be heard. Like churches Christian websites are not there for the Christians they are there to keep Christians believing, anything that might encourage a Christian to think is removed because Christians must remain followers. Edited October 29, 2013 by Lylow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlessedByTheBest Posted October 29, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 631 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/24/2012 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 There is only one thing we can say for sure is an absolute truth and that is DEATH and that's what ALL religions are about, they ALL claim to have found the only way to cheat death, which is what makes ALL religions laughable and ALL believers gullible. Please read this before they take it down. are we supposed to take it on FAITH that ALL the rest of your ridiculous claims are absolute truth as well? please read this before you get banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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