Speaking in tongues 2

[Knowingtruth]

 

I pretty much agree with everything you said (I know brothers and sisters have different views on some of these unessential matters) but if God wants to heal you through the laying on of hands by a brother or sister who happens to have experienced that gift (so they could be built up, as that is its purpose from God....us not knowing why or for what He is building that person up) then what is that to you? I got the impression that you would not want to be healed if the conduit God chose was such a recipient (I am sorry my brother but that makes no sense to me, as God is God and can do or use what or who He wills...He can speak through an ass if that will do the trick...I think if what you said is realy what you would not do, then you would find yourself resisting the move of the Holy Spirit in such a matter, and to me, that would be most sad). 

Please note that there is a separate gift of healing that may have nothing to do with speaking in tongue Corinthian way. I believe this gift has ceased, and I believe a person who claims that is misled. I have nothing to do with such deeds. Healing is observed in other religions also. I flatly refused such helps in my life waiting for the Lord to heal with our own prayers. He has healed in His own time.

 

Addressing one other point, I remember a story from Billy Graham (who up to this point believed they had ceased) and he said he was preaching a revival in Sweden when in the midst of his message a person in one area stood up through their hands up high and began what he thought was a bunch of babbling, then just as he was about to rebuke the spirit he thought of satan another person in in another area closer to him began interpreting the tongue to the praise and glory of the Lord Jesus Christ. It was at that point he changed his view (still not believing in the modern "tongues" movement) for the whole stadium became very quiet and there was a sense of the presence of God everywhere (people weeping with joy and praising God and thanking Him for His mercy and grace)...

 

Once I was in a house church meeting in Arlington Massachusetts with my wife Salome and our two little girls...a similar thing happened and even the children (even 5 year old Samuel Richards) were joyfully weeping as they praised and worshipped God out loud. Even my own daughters (7 and 6) were looking up in awe for the whole room as it were was filled with what seemed to be an atmosphere...a cloud if you will...it was so uplifting, it was like being on some wonderful joyfilled high that filled us all with overflowing love toward God....I had allegedly been a Christian for a time then but at that moment in awe I realized Jesus was truly alive and with me...the true LIVING God...I can;t explain it...I do not care if you believe it...it was certainly not of Satan...and I wish I could live in close communion with Christ daily but here in the flesh attentive as we must be to the daily exercise of living it is not the same...even the leader of the meeting had no explanation for what happened but could not deny the mutually shared presence of God.

 

There are and have been millions of others who have had such experiences with Him and amidst worship of Him though experiences have ZERO to do with our relationship to Him and our salvation is in no wise dependent on such things...but when God gives it you can never deny it for the rest of your life. 

It depends on the emotional mindset of a person. For example, one may derive lot of pleasure in basket ball game over foot ball. Black people, I think, are normally more emotional than people of other races(This is not to insult them) So you find emotionally charged atmosphere even in their Baptist churches.

 

I prefer order and discipline with reverance and self-control when it comes to worshipping God.

 

[Knowingtruth]

 

 

I pretty much agree with everything you said (I know brothers and sisters have different views on some of these unessential matters) but if God wants to heal you through the laying on of hands by a brother or sister who happens to have experienced that gift (so they could be built up, as that is its purpose from God....us not knowing why or for what He is building that person up) then what is that to you? I got the impression that you would not want to be healed if the conduit God chose was such a recipient (I am sorry my brother but that makes no sense to me, as God is God and can do or use what or who He wills...He can speak through an ass if that will do the trick...I think if what you said is realy what you would not do, then you would find yourself resisting the move of the Holy Spirit in such a matter, and to me, that would be most sad). 

Please note that there is a separate gift of healing that may have nothing to do with speaking in tongue Corinthian way. I believe this gift has ceased, and I believe a person who claims that is misled. I have nothing to do with such deeds. Healing is observed in other religions also. I flatly refused such helps in my life waiting for the Lord to heal with our own prayers. He has healed in His own time.

 

Addressing one other point, I remember a story from Billy Graham (who up to this point believed they had ceased) and he said he was preaching a revival in Sweden when in the midst of his message a person in one area stood up through their hands up high and began what he thought was a bunch of babbling, then just as he was about to rebuke the spirit he thought of satan another person in in another area closer to him began interpreting the tongue to the praise and glory of the Lord Jesus Christ. It was at that point he changed his view (still not believing in the modern "tongues" movement) for the whole stadium became very quiet and there was a sense of the presence of God everywhere (people weeping with joy and praising God and thanking Him for His mercy and grace)...

 

Once I was in a house church meeting in Arlington Massachusetts with my wife Salome and our two little girls...a similar thing happened and even the children (even 5 year old Samuel Richards) were joyfully weeping as they praised and worshipped God out loud. Even my own daughters (7 and 6) were looking up in awe for the whole room as it were was filled with what seemed to be an atmosphere...a cloud if you will...it was so uplifting, it was like being on some wonderful joyfilled high that filled us all with overflowing love toward God....I had allegedly been a Christian for a time then but at that moment in awe I realized Jesus was truly alive and with me...the true LIVING God...I can;t explain it...I do not care if you believe it...it was certainly not of Satan...and I wish I could live in close communion with Christ daily but here in the flesh attentive as we must be to the daily exercise of living it is not the same...even the leader of the meeting had no explanation for what happened but could not deny the mutually shared presence of God.

 

There are and have been millions of others who have had such experiences with Him and amidst worship of Him though experiences have ZERO to do with our relationship to Him and our salvation is in no wise dependent on such things...but when God gives it you can never deny it for the rest of your life. 

It depends on the emotional mindset of a person. For example, one may derive lot of pleasure in basket ball game over foot ball. Black people are normally more emotional than people of other races(This is not to insult them) So you find emotionally charged atmosphere even in their Baptist churches.

 

I prefer order and discipline with reverance and self-control when it comes to worshipping God.

 

 

 

 

Point A. I understand but note that there is also a special gift of faith and this does not negate the faith we all share in common or act in with our love for one another. A gift of healing does not make one "a healer" He gives His gifts severally as He wills. One morning I rose to find my wife gone (6:30 am) upon her return about 3 pm she told me she was awakened at 5:30 am by what she believed was the Spirit telling her to rise and lay hands on and go pray for Zophia Zavatsky (she had a heart attack and a stroke)...she obeyed...when she got there there was a big sign on the door of the ICU stating immediate relatives only. The door opened and the nurse was wearing a cross...Salome asked her if she was a Christian and the lady said yes...she told her the story and the lady let her in...she read from the scriptures a while at her bedisde and then she laid hands on the lady (allegedly unconscious and sedated after surgery) and prayed, praying back God's own words to Him (and if they lay hands on the sich they will recover)...Zophia  (73 years old) woke up later in the day and when her real daughter (loretta) went by to visit later Zophia told her daughter she remembered Sally (that's what she calls her) coming and reading the Bible to her and praying for her and asked if it was just a dream...she is up and about now going through rehab slowly regaining what the stroke robbed her of...this was the gift of healing...Salome is no "healer" but God has answered our prayers in this way on so many occasions that when people are ill they call us to pray and we of course insist they go directly to the Lord themselves (but also pray of course)...

 

Praise God for the blessed work! What I mean to say is  that the spiritual gifts do not bring salavation. It is the fruit of the Spirit that does . That is why Paul finally recommends the best part of the fruit, namely, love. Also, note that Jesus did not go to heal Lazarus who was sick. He went there after he was dead to show greater marvel and authority of God! (John 11:1-11)

 

 

 

Now as for your preference hear how the Bible describes praise and worship.

 

As for how we show our praise and thanks...

 

Praise is commanded in the Scriptures:

 

                Revelation 19:5 - “a voice came from the Throne saying, ‘Praise our God

                all you servants, all you who fear Him both small and great‘“

 

Praise is an appropriate offering in the Scriptures:

 

                Hebrews 13:15 - “Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer a

           Sacrifice of praise...the fruit of lips that confess His name...”

 

Praise is a covering for our outward self:

 

           Putting on “the garment of Praise” is an act of our will, which declares  

           God's victory amidst our circumstance

 

Barach - to kneel in adoration or praise (Judges 5:2; Psalm 75:15)

 

Hallel - To boast of, or rave about the LORD (2 Chronicles 5:13,14; Psalms 65:5;   

                69:30; 106:48; 146:1,2).

 

Zamar - To make musical celebration. To praise Him with strings, either alone, or in             

                the congregation of His saints (Psalms 21:13; 108:1; 138:1)

 

Tehilih - Laudation in Hymn and Spiritual Song (Psalm 22:3).

 

Yadeh - To use our hands in praising and worshipping God (Psalm 30:9; 1 Timothy 2:8)

 

Shabach - To shout; or address Him, as in using a loud tone (Psalm 117:1)

 

Towdah – This is a term which means to confess or declare, as in a sacrifice of praise from the heart (Psalm 50:23; 100; Jeremiah 17:26), or in humble contrition before our Holy God. 

 

Machol - to praise through dance and/or chorus (Psalm 149:3; 150:4)

 

As for worship it is always an inner spiritual attitude accompanied by physical attitude (in spirit and in truth, whether standing, sitting, lying down, prostate on ones face, walking by the wayside, with our applause, shouts, giving Him all the glory, in spiritual song and psalm and hymn, in the music and even in all the works we produce by faith in Him

 

The final word on how we pray and worship are clearly enumerated by Jesus. That supersedes any other verses in the Bible if they are not read in conformity of Jesus Christ's sayings. They are: for personal prayer:Matthew 6:5-8. For congregational prayer: exhibiting self control--the fruit of the Spirit. Do you think God will hear only those who have strong vocal chords or those having physical stamina to do acrobatics?

[Guest Butero]

 

 

 

I pretty much agree with everything you said (I know brothers and sisters have different views on some of these unessential matters) but if God wants to heal you through the laying on of hands by a brother or sister who happens to have experienced that gift (so they could be built up, as that is its purpose from God....us not knowing why or for what He is building that person up) then what is that to you? I got the impression that you would not want to be healed if the conduit God chose was such a recipient (I am sorry my brother but that makes no sense to me, as God is God and can do or use what or who He wills...He can speak through an ass if that will do the trick...I think if what you said is realy what you would not do, then you would find yourself resisting the move of the Holy Spirit in such a matter, and to me, that would be most sad). 

Please note that there is a separate gift of healing that may have nothing to do with speaking in tongue Corinthian way. I believe this gift has ceased, and I believe a person who claims that is misled. I have nothing to do with such deeds. Healing is observed in other religions also. I flatly refused such helps in my life waiting for the Lord to heal with our own prayers. He has healed in His own time.

 

Addressing one other point, I remember a story from Billy Graham (who up to this point believed they had ceased) and he said he was preaching a revival in Sweden when in the midst of his message a person in one area stood up through their hands up high and began what he thought was a bunch of babbling, then just as he was about to rebuke the spirit he thought of satan another person in in another area closer to him began interpreting the tongue to the praise and glory of the Lord Jesus Christ. It was at that point he changed his view (still not believing in the modern "tongues" movement) for the whole stadium became very quiet and there was a sense of the presence of God everywhere (people weeping with joy and praising God and thanking Him for His mercy and grace)...

 

Once I was in a house church meeting in Arlington Massachusetts with my wife Salome and our two little girls...a similar thing happened and even the children (even 5 year old Samuel Richards) were joyfully weeping as they praised and worshipped God out loud. Even my own daughters (7 and 6) were looking up in awe for the whole room as it were was filled with what seemed to be an atmosphere...a cloud if you will...it was so uplifting, it was like being on some wonderful joyfilled high that filled us all with overflowing love toward God....I had allegedly been a Christian for a time then but at that moment in awe I realized Jesus was truly alive and with me...the true LIVING God...I can;t explain it...I do not care if you believe it...it was certainly not of Satan...and I wish I could live in close communion with Christ daily but here in the flesh attentive as we must be to the daily exercise of living it is not the same...even the leader of the meeting had no explanation for what happened but could not deny the mutually shared presence of God.

 

There are and have been millions of others who have had such experiences with Him and amidst worship of Him though experiences have ZERO to do with our relationship to Him and our salvation is in no wise dependent on such things...but when God gives it you can never deny it for the rest of your life. 

It depends on the emotional mindset of a person. For example, one may derive lot of pleasure in basket ball game over foot ball. Black people are normally more emotional than people of other races(This is not to insult them) So you find emotionally charged atmosphere even in their Baptist churches.

 

I prefer order and discipline with reverance and self-control when it comes to worshipping God.

 

 

 

 

Point A. I understand but note that there is also a special gift of faith and this does not negate the faith we all share in common or act in with our love for one another. A gift of healing does not make one "a healer" He gives His gifts severally as He wills. One morning I rose to find my wife gone (6:30 am) upon her return about 3 pm she told me she was awakened at 5:30 am by what she believed was the Spirit telling her to rise and lay hands on and go pray for Zophia Zavatsky (she had a heart attack and a stroke)...she obeyed...when she got there there was a big sign on the door of the ICU stating immediate relatives only. The door opened and the nurse was wearing a cross...Salome asked her if she was a Christian and the lady said yes...she told her the story and the lady let her in...she read from the scriptures a while at her bedisde and then she laid hands on the lady (allegedly unconscious and sedated after surgery) and prayed, praying back God's own words to Him (and if they lay hands on the sich they will recover)...Zophia  (73 years old) woke up later in the day and when her real daughter (loretta) went by to visit later Zophia told her daughter she remembered Sally (that's what she calls her) coming and reading the Bible to her and praying for her and asked if it was just a dream...she is up and about now going through rehab slowly regaining what the stroke robbed her of...this was the gift of healing...Salome is no "healer" but God has answered our prayers in this way on so many occasions that when people are ill they call us to pray and we of course insist they go directly to the Lord themselves (but also pray of course)...

 

Praise God for the blessed work! What I mean to say is  that the spiritual gifts do not bring salavation. It is the fruit of the Spirit that does . That is why Paul finally recommends the best part of the fruit, namely, love. Also, note that Jesus did not go to heal Lazarus who was sick. He went there after he was dead to show greater marvel and authority of God! (John 11:1-11)

 

 

 

Now as for your preference hear how the Bible describes praise and worship.

 

As for how we show our praise and thanks...

 

Praise is commanded in the Scriptures:

 

                Revelation 19:5 - “a voice came from the Throne saying, ‘Praise our God

                all you servants, all you who fear Him both small and great‘“

 

Praise is an appropriate offering in the Scriptures:

 

                Hebrews 13:15 - “Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer a

           Sacrifice of praise...the fruit of lips that confess His name...”

 

Praise is a covering for our outward self:

 

           Putting on “the garment of Praise” is an act of our will, which declares  

           God's victory amidst our circumstance

 

Barach - to kneel in adoration or praise (Judges 5:2; Psalm 75:15)

 

Hallel - To boast of, or rave about the LORD (2 Chronicles 5:13,14; Psalms 65:5;   

                69:30; 106:48; 146:1,2).

 

Zamar - To make musical celebration. To praise Him with strings, either alone, or in             

                the congregation of His saints (Psalms 21:13; 108:1; 138:1)

 

Tehilih - Laudation in Hymn and Spiritual Song (Psalm 22:3).

 

Yadeh - To use our hands in praising and worshipping God (Psalm 30:9; 1 Timothy 2:8)

 

Shabach - To shout; or address Him, as in using a loud tone (Psalm 117:1)

 

Towdah – This is a term which means to confess or declare, as in a sacrifice of praise from the heart (Psalm 50:23; 100; Jeremiah 17:26), or in humble contrition before our Holy God. 

 

Machol - to praise through dance and/or chorus (Psalm 149:3; 150:4)

 

As for worship it is always an inner spiritual attitude accompanied by physical attitude (in spirit and in truth, whether standing, sitting, lying down, prostate on ones face, walking by the wayside, with our applause, shouts, giving Him all the glory, in spiritual song and psalm and hymn, in the music and even in all the works we produce by faith in Him

 

The final word on how we pray and worship are clearly enumerated by Jesus. That supersedes any other verses in the Bible if they are not read in conformity of Jesus Christ's sayings. They are: for personal prayer:Matthew 6:5-8. For congregational prayer: exhibiting self control--the fruit of the Spirit. Do you think God will hear only those who have strong vocal chords or those having physical stamina to do acrobatics?

The entire Bible was written by God, so the words of Jesus don't supersede other scriptures.  They are in reality all the words of God. 

[Knowingtruth]

I have cleaned up the formatting and quotes on this thread. Hopefully this will help the communication and ease of the discussion. I believe too it's easier to follow along with now.

 

God bless,

GE

Thanks

[Knowingtruth]

 

 

 

 

I pretty much agree with everything you said (I know brothers and sisters have different views on some of these unessential matters) but if God wants to heal you through the laying on of hands by a brother or sister who happens to have experienced that gift (so they could be built up, as that is its purpose from God....us not knowing why or for what He is building that person up) then what is that to you? I got the impression that you would not want to be healed if the conduit God chose was such a recipient (I am sorry my brother but that makes no sense to me, as God is God and can do or use what or who He wills...He can speak through an ass if that will do the trick...I think if what you said is realy what you would not do, then you would find yourself resisting the move of the Holy Spirit in such a matter, and to me, that would be most sad). 

Please note that there is a separate gift of healing that may have nothing to do with speaking in tongue Corinthian way. I believe this gift has ceased, and I believe a person who claims that is misled. I have nothing to do with such deeds. Healing is observed in other religions also. I flatly refused such helps in my life waiting for the Lord to heal with our own prayers. He has healed in His own time.

 

Addressing one other point, I remember a story from Billy Graham (who up to this point believed they had ceased) and he said he was preaching a revival in Sweden when in the midst of his message a person in one area stood up through their hands up high and began what he thought was a bunch of babbling, then just as he was about to rebuke the spirit he thought of satan another person in in another area closer to him began interpreting the tongue to the praise and glory of the Lord Jesus Christ. It was at that point he changed his view (still not believing in the modern "tongues" movement) for the whole stadium became very quiet and there was a sense of the presence of God everywhere (people weeping with joy and praising God and thanking Him for His mercy and grace)...

 

Once I was in a house church meeting in Arlington Massachusetts with my wife Salome and our two little girls...a similar thing happened and even the children (even 5 year old Samuel Richards) were joyfully weeping as they praised and worshipped God out loud. Even my own daughters (7 and 6) were looking up in awe for the whole room as it were was filled with what seemed to be an atmosphere...a cloud if you will...it was so uplifting, it was like being on some wonderful joyfilled high that filled us all with overflowing love toward God....I had allegedly been a Christian for a time then but at that moment in awe I realized Jesus was truly alive and with me...the true LIVING God...I can;t explain it...I do not care if you believe it...it was certainly not of Satan...and I wish I could live in close communion with Christ daily but here in the flesh attentive as we must be to the daily exercise of living it is not the same...even the leader of the meeting had no explanation for what happened but could not deny the mutually shared presence of God.

 

There are and have been millions of others who have had such experiences with Him and amidst worship of Him though experiences have ZERO to do with our relationship to Him and our salvation is in no wise dependent on such things...but when God gives it you can never deny it for the rest of your life. 

It depends on the emotional mindset of a person. For example, one may derive lot of pleasure in basket ball game over foot ball. Black people are normally more emotional than people of other races(This is not to insult them) So you find emotionally charged atmosphere even in their Baptist churches.

 

I prefer order and discipline with reverance and self-control when it comes to worshipping God.

 

 

 

 

Point A. I understand but note that there is also a special gift of faith and this does not negate the faith we all share in common or act in with our love for one another. A gift of healing does not make one "a healer" He gives His gifts severally as He wills. One morning I rose to find my wife gone (6:30 am) upon her return about 3 pm she told me she was awakened at 5:30 am by what she believed was the Spirit telling her to rise and lay hands on and go pray for Zophia Zavatsky (she had a heart attack and a stroke)...she obeyed...when she got there there was a big sign on the door of the ICU stating immediate relatives only. The door opened and the nurse was wearing a cross...Salome asked her if she was a Christian and the lady said yes...she told her the story and the lady let her in...she read from the scriptures a while at her bedisde and then she laid hands on the lady (allegedly unconscious and sedated after surgery) and prayed, praying back God's own words to Him (and if they lay hands on the sich they will recover)...Zophia  (73 years old) woke up later in the day and when her real daughter (loretta) went by to visit later Zophia told her daughter she remembered Sally (that's what she calls her) coming and reading the Bible to her and praying for her and asked if it was just a dream...she is up and about now going through rehab slowly regaining what the stroke robbed her of...this was the gift of healing...Salome is no "healer" but God has answered our prayers in this way on so many occasions that when people are ill they call us to pray and we of course insist they go directly to the Lord themselves (but also pray of course)...

 

Praise God for the blessed work! What I mean to say is  that the spiritual gifts do not bring salavation. It is the fruit of the Spirit that does . That is why Paul finally recommends the best part of the fruit, namely, love. Also, note that Jesus did not go to heal Lazarus who was sick. He went there after he was dead to show greater marvel and authority of God! (John 11:1-11)

 

 

 

Now as for your preference hear how the Bible describes praise and worship.

 

As for how we show our praise and thanks...

 

Praise is commanded in the Scriptures:

 

                Revelation 19:5 - “a voice came from the Throne saying, ‘Praise our God

                all you servants, all you who fear Him both small and great‘“

 

Praise is an appropriate offering in the Scriptures:

 

                Hebrews 13:15 - “Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer a

           Sacrifice of praise...the fruit of lips that confess His name...”

 

Praise is a covering for our outward self:

 

           Putting on “the garment of Praise” is an act of our will, which declares  

           God's victory amidst our circumstance

 

Barach - to kneel in adoration or praise (Judges 5:2; Psalm 75:15)

 

Hallel - To boast of, or rave about the LORD (2 Chronicles 5:13,14; Psalms 65:5;   

                69:30; 106:48; 146:1,2).

 

Zamar - To make musical celebration. To praise Him with strings, either alone, or in             

                the congregation of His saints (Psalms 21:13; 108:1; 138:1)

 

Tehilih - Laudation in Hymn and Spiritual Song (Psalm 22:3).

 

Yadeh - To use our hands in praising and worshipping God (Psalm 30:9; 1 Timothy 2:8)

 

Shabach - To shout; or address Him, as in using a loud tone (Psalm 117:1)

 

Towdah – This is a term which means to confess or declare, as in a sacrifice of praise from the heart (Psalm 50:23; 100; Jeremiah 17:26), or in humble contrition before our Holy God. 

 

Machol - to praise through dance and/or chorus (Psalm 149:3; 150:4)

 

As for worship it is always an inner spiritual attitude accompanied by physical attitude (in spirit and in truth, whether standing, sitting, lying down, prostate on ones face, walking by the wayside, with our applause, shouts, giving Him all the glory, in spiritual song and psalm and hymn, in the music and even in all the works we produce by faith in Him

 

The final word on how we pray and worship are clearly enumerated by Jesus. That superseeds any other verses in the Bible if they are not read in conformity of Jesus Christ's sayings. They are: for personal prayer:Matthew 6:5-8. For congregational prayer: exhibiting self control--the fruit of the Spirit. Do you think God will hear only those who have strong vocal chords or those having physical stamina to do acrobatics?

 

Who on earth ever said that? Not I! I enjoy all the various forms of worship and praise. I love Orthodox liturgies, and have attended Presbyterian and Nazarene churches at different times. We did not mention praying specifically in our discussion, but you are right, these two are the only two Biblical forms of prayer (tongues falling into the 1st category). However, I would rather cheer God or give Him my applause when He does something wonderful than praise some football player or entertainer. I love to vocalize my thanks and sing to Him and about Him. I am not ashamed to clap or raise Holy hands as Paul says.

 

 

What is objectionable is act of overdoing! When we attended a Pentecostal church near by, my wife was upset by the way they were clapping and raising their voices that were prompting her to close her ears with hands or use eardrums! There are degrees of differences in Pentecostal churches! Police have been called for their unbearable noise in the neighborhood. Any act inside the church should generate reverence towards of God. But congregation takes over! Pity!

[Guest Butero]

 

 

 

The final word on how we pray and worship are clearly enumerated by Jesus. That superseeds any other verses in the Bible if they are not read in conformity of Jesus Christ's sayings. They are: for personal prayer:Matthew 6:5-8. For congregational prayer: exhibiting self control--the fruit of the Spirit. Do you think God will hear only those who have strong vocal chords or those having physical stamina to do acrobatics?

 

Who on earth ever said that? Not I! I enjoy all the various forms of worship and praise. I love Orthodox liturgies, and have attended Presbyterian and Nazarene churches at different times. We did not mention praying specifically in our discussion, but you are right, these two are the only two Biblical forms of prayer (tongues falling into the 1st category). However, I would rather cheer God or give Him my applause when He does something wonderful than praise some football player or entertainer. I love to vocalize my thanks and sing to Him and about Him. I am not ashamed to clap or raise Holy hands as Paul says.

 

 

What is objectionable is act of overdoing! When we attended a Pentecostal church near by, my wife was upset by the way they were clapping and raising their voices that were prompting her to close her ears with hands or use eardrums! There are degrees of differences in Pentecostal churches! Police have been called for their unbearable noise in the neighborhood. Any act inside the church should generate reverence towards of God. But congregation takes over! Pity!

 

Can you give actual examples of Pentecostal Churches that were so loud inside, the police had to be called?  I am not speaking of outdoor tent meetings, but church services being held inside a building. 

 

If you or your wife don't like loud church services, there are other places to go.  Find one you like, and go there.  I personally like churches where they clap, raise their voices and shout, "Hallelujah."  "Praise the Lord."  "Thank you Jesus."  I also have no problem with churches that are very quiet and reverent from start to finish. 

[Knowingtruth]

 

You are the one that reasoned that Paul's epistle was written to the church at Corinth, and he was addessing them based on issues in their church.  That was the whole premise for your argument.  I completely agree that the epistles are to everyone.

 

 

Epistles are to be applied to us considering the context.

 

 

As a matter of fact, that weakens your argument, because there is no reason for Paul, or any other New Testament author to repeat the same things over and over.  Remember that it is God that actually wrote the Bible, but he used human vessels to pen his words.

 

 

What is important he has repeated. What was not found he has not explicitly mentioned. Paul was at Corinth for one and half years and many were baptized during his presence. No speaking of unknown tongue was observed.

 

 

 

Of course there are instances where a message is unBiblical.  Of course there are times where there are more than one interpretation given.  We are supposed to know enough about the Word to discern the difference?  The Bible allows for more than one interpretation to be given.  Even if you can cite the things you did, there is no proof that God never uses tongues and interpretation, and that there are just instances where someone wasn't really hearing from God? 

 

There is one and only absolute truth. If you believe in different interpretations and accept them all, I think, you are going off track!

[Knowingtruth]

Can you give actual examples of Pentecostal Churches that were so loud inside, the police had to be called?  I am not speaking of outdoor tent meetings, but church services being held inside a building. 

 

 

 

This is what I heard from another person who attended a church inside a building.

 

If you or your wife don't like loud church services, there are other places to go.  Find one you like, and go there.  I personally like churches where they clap, raise their voices and shout, "Hallelujah."  "Praise the Lord."  "Thank you Jesus."  I also have no problem with churches that are very quiet and reverent from start to finish. 

 

 

When they are limited and done with reverence it is OK. It cannot become a ritual which Jesus objected.(Matthew 6:5-7) How can you have problem in the latter type of churches?

[Guest Butero]

I have never heard of a church so loud, that the neighbors had to call the cops because they were disturbing the peace?  I have heard of this happening with outdoor tent meetings. 

 

I have no issue with churches that are quiet, but neither do I have a problem with churches where they shout, and praise the Lord. 

[Montana Marv]

A good question to be asked.   

 

Is one more Spiritual when they are speaking in tongues?  Does one bypass the HS when they speak in tongues, do they go directly to God the Father?  What about Rom 8:26,27 - We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans which words cannot express.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv