Willa Posted November 2, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,228 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,652 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted November 2, 2013 Psuche is spelled psych in English, which is the root of psychology. In Greek it denotes breath or life, a living person, as well as soul. Soul is related to emotions, desires, appetities, courage, instincts, affections and mind. But dianoia refers to understanding and intellect. 4151 pneuma is to breathe, a blast, wind, breath of (spiritual) life, spirit and mind, seat of godly attributes such as humility and fruit of the Spirit. The spiritual part of man that can live independantly of the body. Mat. 27:50 He gave up His spirit.. Acts 7:59 Her spirit came again and she arose. John 6:63, the spirit in a man gives life to the body, so my words are spirit and life to the soul; The rational spirit, mind, element of life. The spirit can communicate with God's Spirit. In 1 Cor 2:14 speaking of the the natural man is refering the soul of a man (psuchikos) that cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God because they are spiritually (pneuma) discerned. The soul is the natural life that makes us a seperate individual. The spirit is the new man, born again of God. ref. Complete Word Study Dictionary by Zodhiates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digout Posted November 4, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 14 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/04/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 4, 2013 The soul is the part of man that is the seat of the mind, will and emotions. It is the personality of a person. We consist of three layers: Body, soul and spirit. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 (NLT) 23 Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again. The language that is used in Genesis that calls man a "living soul" is simply King James style language that still pervades the English language of today---"all souls on deck" is a remnant phrase showing how the word, "soul", is used to denote "person". I agree with you. When we die, out spirit goes back to God. Our body decays. The soul is going to be judged by God. It may gain eternal life or destroyed or damned in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x141 Posted November 13, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 42 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/12/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/05/1959 Share Posted November 13, 2013 The pictures of this threefold existence with its perception of truth are found in the pattern Moses saw in the mount, which in turn relate to how we perceive truth in relationship to how it unfolds to us as being something in us, and springing up from us. The patterns of this truth are found everywhere in scripture each relating to the same one purpose God purposed in himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted November 13, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,816 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2013 Blessings sculelos, Good to see you back,it has been awhile.....I believe post #5,floatingaxe gave a very good definition & reference to the appropriate Scriptures! Bless the Lord,Oh my soul & all that is within me! With love,in Christ-Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x141 Posted November 13, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 42 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/12/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/05/1959 Share Posted November 13, 2013 The pictures of this threefold existence with its perception of truth are found in the pattern Moses saw in the mount, which in turn relate to how we perceive truth in relationship to how it unfolds to us as being something in us, and springing up from us. The patterns of this truth are found everywhere in scripture each relating to the same one purpose God purposed in himself. To expand this a bit ... You see this in picture form as it relates to the process in us. Outside of Adam & the woman, you have the three seen in the tree of life, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and the serpent. Each relate to spirit, soul, and body, which you can't take outside of the process of the perception of truth in us, or as defined by us in the progression of this definition. Things become pictures of truth to us in scripture which define the language of God, and the one purpose of God that there has never been any shadow of turning from since the beginning. For instance a seed, or a tree that has its seed in itself, or a lamb, or a tree as it relates to the cross, which relates to where truth is crucified to us. Or, things like Israel would be in bondage for four hundred years. The biblical year is 360 days, when you times this by the 400 years you come up with 144,000 days. The Bible is one cohesive narrative of the one Word (as something that departed God's mouth) that reveals the one God, the Word being God, but how many different words do you need to define a Word that has no beginning or end ... they must be endless just as the kingdom's increase in us. Our relationship with God is personnel first, he leads us into all truth, and we know that God is this all truth, and his son (all things that the father has is mine), is as well. The pattern Moses saw in the mount can be found in every aspect of the Bible and how it relates to the individual coming to something, or entering into something by coming out of something, whether it be the process seen in the tabernacle itself or the progression found in Abram being called out and into, or Israel being called out of Egypt (or the perception of flesh as the truth) or the calling of Jesus out of Egypt (which Israel was a picture of), all of it relating to each and every son (gender not being an issue, but a picture of something). In this resect (but by no means confined to this), the three relate to the three feasts one is called up to Jerusalem to keep, as they relate to wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. Passover the outer court/body/Egypt/Saul, Pentecost/holy place/soul/wilderness/David, Tabernacles/most holy place/spirit/the land/Solomon, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I think too little is known about it. From the ancient Greeks until now, no one has seen it. As Woody Allen said: Can the human soul be glimpsed through a microscope? Perhaps, but you'd definitely need one of those very good ones with two eyepieces! lol ~ Amen~! It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63 And Yet We Have Such The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. Jeremiah 17:9-10 An Eyepiece There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. Hebrews 4:9-16 Praying~! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x141 Posted November 26, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 42 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/12/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/05/1959 Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) The word divides between spirit and soul, or the masculine and the feminine, and by this I mean the whole word of the Bible, even as it is the one word that the Bible declares. For instance how Jesus likens the kingdom to things a man or a woman do (among the other things that he likened it to but all of them falling within the confines of these two in respect to how it plays out in us). This can be seen in the case with Job who gets new children but not a new wife (and the symbolism found in the gender and numbers of children), which is found in Jesus words over Jerusalem as a mother and her children, which was a picture of the earthly where the Lord was crucified. If we lose our soul, or our land becomes desolate, or even in another way, becomes to us the habitation of everything that is foul, we keep it. The heavenly Jerusalem is not revealed until the earthly becomes desolate, lose your soul, gain it. Same soul, different perception or children. Desolation brings truth to us, just as the picture Jesus as an end of sin laid out for us by pouring his soul out on a cross, or tree, which symbolism goes back to the first garden where the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world (not the earth), this slaying of the truth being by our own reasoning, of our own tree, which in picture is the tree of knowledge, and in the day (which Adam never made it out of the sixth day falling seventy years short), we eat of our own (not the lords day, which is rest from the labor). Though the symbolism of these things have no end to them, the relationship our soul plays in this process of time of the scattering and the gathering again unto one, brings to us the true image, even as it previously gendered to bondage from an image that was a lie. This in one form is laid out in the two sons as a truth that is happening in us based on the words heaven and earth (first the natural), where the pattern began. The Bible is cohesive, one narrative speaking of one son, and this in relationship to this one truth being revealed in us, as it was in Jesus. God started with one, and narrowed it back to one, and now we each are partakers of this one, as individuals and as the sum of the whole, revealing one God, one Father ,and one son, but all this comes to us in the form of the perception given to us by our soul. In scripture our soul and the process of our reasoning are depicted as a mountain, a valley, a city, a tower, a harlot, a virgin, a bride, a wife (both faithful and unfaithful), a field, a wilderness, a land, a tree, etc. which give us its meaning in the context of the whole of the scripture as it does in the one verse and to which one cannot be defined without the other, as this also applies to every individual and the sum of the whole of us. The Bible defines language of God which is seen all around us, and how it relates to the one truth that he created all things by, and both by whom and how he gathers all things back into where they came out of. The first helpmeet was the woman who in picture is our soul, which revealed our nakedness. The second helpmeet is masculine, or when he is come he will guide you into all truth. Edited November 27, 2013 by x141 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 27, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 27, 2013 Shalom x141 I am just a simple person. Your metaphors are to confusing to follow. Perhaps you can provide scripture, which I do understand, and an explanation of what you are applying to scripture. God Bless, OneLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x141 Posted November 28, 2013 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 42 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/12/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/05/1959 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Shalom x141 I am just a simple person. Your metaphors are to confusing to follow. Perhaps you can provide scripture, which I do understand, and an explanation of what you are applying to scripture. God Bless, OneLight I talk in the light of the whole Bible, to post the scriptures would make for a post that could take hours to relate as it can in one sentence be found, that took a moment to write. The word of God to us is this same unveiling in us, and it a treasure in each of us that can't be bought without selling all that you have. With that said ... Consider that Sarah sees that her son is mocked by her son that is of the bondwoman that relates to her bringing forth the promise that God gave Abraham (and only God can fulfill, as a truth relating to the process that Paul called the revealing of the son in him) in us through flesh which equates to a laboring to be righteousness, or accepted. Paul says that these are the two covenants, one of bondage, one of liberty, one from below one from above, just as James said of the two wisdoms, which are not a separate truth but more acquainted with in scripture of one leaf that is one portion of the covering of the tree that we are. The mentality of bondage/curse/or labor to become, is not a partaker in the promise, the promise being something that is given (received by faith as being yours presently), and in symbolism is like the moon, shinning but having no light of it's own which in scripture speaks of the woman, as the woman in picture speaks to our soul. It deals with perception that is as individual as every son, but also which every soul with this image of this son that must be poured out or become desolate (a cross, or thou shalt not eat) in order to enter into the kingdom that being born again affords you to see. You find this pattern everywhere in scripture, as you can see it in the progression of the two cities in the book of Revelation. They all speak to the process of this son being revealed in us. You see, in the natural, the language of God is all around us. It is why Jesus said such things as the kingdom of God is likened to a woman, or a seed, or a tree, or a man and the journey of that man, and it's truth like a city on a hill, or a light that gives light to the whole house. It is individual first just as the kingdom is in each of us, and we are one in this kingdom. The journey is there and back again but from the perception of having descended or born from above. We are in the process of returning to where we came from. The whole of creation speaks to this process and the bondage it is still held under as it is the manifestation (of the sons of God) of this truth which will release it from this perception of bondage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted November 28, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted November 28, 2013 Perhaps it is how you write. I may be the only one, but without scriptural references, this seems to be no more than platitudes with statements like "The mentality of bondage/curse/or labor to become, is not a partaker in the promise, the promise being something that is given (received by faith as being yours presently), and in symbolism is like the moon, shinning but having no light of it's own which in scripture speaks of the woman, as the woman in picture speaks to our soul." make absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. You do mention the writings of Paul and James, where you could very easily give scripture. If your statements would take hours to write when applying scripture, perhaps you could break it down to one idea at a time. Try this. Before you post, step away for a period of time. Return to the post and try reading it as if you are reading it for the very first time, having no preconceived idea to what the writer is thinking. You will discover that with no idea to what the writer is talking about, the words themselves do not help the reader understand. You see, you know what you are thinking, and it may all make sense to you because of this. Yet, nobody can read your mind to understand what you are referring to. This would help you get your ideas across to the readers with far more affect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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