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I am not sure how this will affect how we view OEC vs. YECism.

 

Did the universe begin when God said, "Let there be light," or was the universe already in existence? It can make a difference with this.

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I am not sure how this will affect how we view OEC vs. YECism.

 

Did the universe begin when God said, "Let there be light," or was the universe already in existence? It can make a difference with this.

 

So how do we go about answering that question?

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I am not sure how this will affect how we view OEC vs. YECism.

 

Did the universe begin when God said, "Let there be light," or was the universe already in existence? It can make a difference with this.

So how do we go about answering that question?

 

I don't know.

 

Does the Bible state the universe began when God said, "Let there be light," or not?

 

If you say yes, what is the Biblical understanding of what makes the univere?

 

How does this compare with our modern understanding of what makes the universe?

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I am not sure how this will affect how we view OEC vs. YECism.

 

Did the universe begin when God said, "Let there be light," or was the universe already in existence? It can make a difference with this.

So how do we go about answering that question?

 

I don't know.

 

Does the Bible state the universe began when God said, "Let there be light," or not?

 

 

I don't think the Bible gives us the answer to that question, at least not that I can tell.  I believe that it has its orgins in the creation week, but as to the precise moment we can say that a "universe" initially came into being,  I am not sure we can answer that question. 

 

Again, the writers are thinking phenomenologically. They are simply describing how thngs look to them.  So we are not going to find any answers in the Bible that satsify the need for the kind of sceintfic precision we are accustomed to, today.

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Why do you want to know anyways?

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Why do you want to know anyways?

 

Standard Creationism denounces the conventional scientific claim that the universe is about 13.8 billion years old because it goes against the Bible. (Example here)

 

I am questioning whether or not this is a fair claim. Is the concept of the "universe" the Bible is talking about the same concept of the "universe" that we make it out to be?

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Standard Creationism denounces the conventional scientific claim that the universe is about 13.8 billion years old because it goes against the Bible. (Example here)

 

 

 

Hey nebula,  Sister :)

 

I think "conventional scientific claim" is inaccurate and should be stated "Conventional Claim" that Scientists make.  Due to the fact that "Scientific Claim" denotes or infers the Scientific Method was employed to verify/validate results.  Of which.... unless they jumped in a time machine and can show Direct Observations leading to measured, repeatable, and falsifiable results then they can call them anything they want (stories/assumptions/bagels) but "Scientific" they are not.

 

I know I'm insufferable but if you see me make the same or similar error, I would want you to correct me.  :bighug:

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You are not insufferable, you are just plain wrong.  There is really nothing else to say

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You are not insufferable, you are just plain wrong.  There is really nothing else to say

 

I will not be commenting to you henceforth.

 

Hope you find the Truth

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You are not insufferable, you are just plain wrong.  There is really nothing else to say

 

I will not be commenting to you henceforth.

 

Hope you find the Truth

 

 

Why thank you, I hope I do to.  One truth I have already found is that you do not understand what science is.  I will continue to look for more

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