Guest shiloh357 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 THe Theory of Evolution (ToE), which is not really a theory, in the srictest scientific usage of that word, is more or less an untested hypothesis that suggests that life forms evolved from one kind of creature into another kind. Some birds are supposed to have evolved from species of lizards/reptiles. Man (homo sapiens) is erroneously supposed to have evolved from nonhuman ancestors that apes/chimps are alleged to also be linked to. It is an assumption that, despite the fact that no fossil evidence has been found to support one kind of creature evolving into another kind has ever been found, is taught as scientific fact as sure as the earth orbits the sun. But what makes it so appealing to unbelievers/atheists is that it stands as THE alternative to the Genesis record given in Genesis 1. The ToE is an unplanned, unguided, impersonal, wholly naturalistic process in nature that has no inteligent causality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted January 25, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.91 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 The theory of evolution does not comment on a biogenesis. And.......? Also, are you familiar with this definition..... ‘General Theory of Evolution’, defined by the evolutionist Kerkut as ‘the theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself came from an inorganic form.’ Kerkut, G.A., Implications of Evolution, Pergamon, Oxford, UK, p. 157, 1960. He's saying that evolution doesn't touch on where or how life began or came from, only what generated from a life form that had come to be. Yep, I knew that but the question was: Define evolution?......not: Define what Evolution is not. And, according to Kerkut (See: Reference above) Abiogenesis is evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForAnswers Posted January 25, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,033 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 67 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 25, 2014 Definition: Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 25, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.97 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The theory of evolution does not comment on a biogenesis. And.......? Also, are you familiar with this definition..... ‘General Theory of Evolution’, defined by the evolutionist Kerkut as ‘the theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself came from an inorganic form.’ Kerkut, G.A., Implications of Evolution, Pergamon, Oxford, UK, p. 157, 1960. He's saying that evolution doesn't touch on where or how life began or came from, only what generated from a life form that had come to be. Yep, I knew that but the question was: Define evolution?......not: Define what Evolution is not. And, according to Kerkut (See: Reference above) Abiogenesis is evolution. I gave you the definition of evolution in post number two. I hope you read it? Well, here it is again: Noun 1. theory of evolution - (biology) a scientific theory of the origin of species of plants and animals http://www.thefreedi...ry of evolution I mentioned what it is not because people so often miscue its usage in discussions and debates. Describing what something is not is often used to help clarify what something is. And if I knew the Kerkut quote is where you were going with this all along (why else would you have answered your own question), I wouldn't have bothered. I have no interest in defending evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted January 25, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.91 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 The theory of evolution does not comment on a biogenesis. And.......? Also, are you familiar with this definition..... ‘General Theory of Evolution’, defined by the evolutionist Kerkut as ‘the theory that all the living forms in the world have arisen from a single source which itself came from an inorganic form.’ Kerkut, G.A., Implications of Evolution, Pergamon, Oxford, UK, p. 157, 1960. He's saying that evolution doesn't touch on where or how life began or came from, only what generated from a life form that had come to be. Yep, I knew that but the question was: Define evolution?......not: Define what Evolution is not. And, according to Kerkut (See: Reference above) Abiogenesis is evolution. I gave you the definition of evolution in post number two. I hope you read it? Well, here it is again: Noun 1. theory of evolution - (biology) a scientific theory of the origin of species of plants and animals http://www.thefreedi...ry of evolution I mentioned what it is not because people so often miscue its usage in discussions and debates. Describing what something is not is often used to help clarify what something is. And if I knew the Kerkut quote is where you were going with this all along (why else would you have answered your own question), I wouldn't have bothered. I have no interest in defending evolution. Yes, I did read it And No, Kerkut's definition is not where I was going with the OP...it was just a direct rebuttal to jerryR34. My first thought when I created the OP was to leave it here for about a week before I commented ......to give everyone a chance to chime in and then try to ascertain then cobble together a Coherent, Concise and Specific rendering of the Theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 25, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.97 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Yes, I did read it And No, Kerkut's definition is not where I was going with the OP...it was just a direct rebuttal to jerryR34. My first thought when I created the OP was to leave it here for about a week before I commented ......to give everyone a chance to chime in and then try to ascertain then cobble together a Coherent, Concise and Specific rendering of the Theory. OK, then I apologize. But honestly, that was the first time I heard evolution being defined from the point of the inorganic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Theory of Evolution: nothing, then something The theory of evolution does not comment on a bio genesis. ~ Oh Beloved, I Think It Does In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:1-3 See The Difference Between The Truth And The TOS? And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Ephesians 3:9 Yeah, Me Too Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristen Posted January 27, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,326 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 1,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/26/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 27, 2014 I agree that vague, equivocal language is a major problem for the creation/evolution debate. Does “evolution” mean the General Theory of Evolution (that all life on earth is related through a series of common ancestors), or the suite of concepts that often find themselves under the 'umbrella' of evolution (such as natural selection, speciation, genetic mutations, common ancestry etc.), or does it simply any heritable change in a population? Of all these, I as a creationist, only dispute the claim that Common Ancestry (along with its associated time frames) is the only scientifically valid interpretation of the available evidence. So, for example, when someone presents evidence of natural selection as evidence of evolution, they contribute nothing to the debate – because I have no problem with the concept of natural selection. I propose the use of more specific (and therefore more accurate) language. If you mean Natural Selection, then say “Natural Selection”. When you mean Common Ancestry, say “Common Ancestry”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 27, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 897 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,621 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 5,821 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 27, 2014 "Evolution" is a misnomer... or rather it lacks qualification between two forms: A) macro-evolution is what is meant by evolutionists (transpeciation, transforming from one kind to another) B) micro-evolution is transformations / developments / adaptations within a kind or species "B" happens all the time. "A" has never happened and there is no evidence that it ever did happen. And the point that all macro-evolutionists cop out on is biogenesis which creationism has explained for some 3500+ years as God is the source and Creator of all things created which he created from nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 "Evolution" is a misnomer... or rather it lacks qualification between two forms: A) macro-evolution is what is meant by evolutionists (transpeciation, transforming from one kind to another) B) micro-evolution is transformations / developments / adaptations within a kind or species "B" happens all the time. "A" has never happened and there is no evidence that it ever did happen. And the point that all macro-evolutionists cop out on is biogenesis which creationism has explained for some 3500+ years as God is the source and Creator of all things created which he created from nothing. Amen~! Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance? Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counseller hath taught him? With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding? Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing. Isaiah 40:12-15 Scientism, Just Another Naughty Little Boy's Club Thine hands have made me and fashioned me together round about; yet thou dost destroy me. Remember, I beseech thee, that thou hast made me as the clay; and wilt thou bring me into dust again? Hast thou not poured me out as milk, and curdled me like cheese? Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews. Thou hast granted me life and favour, and thy visitation hath preserved my spirit. And these things hast thou hid in thine heart: I know that this is with thee. Job 8-13 Refusing To Give Jesus I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. Psalms 139:14 His Glory And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Revelation 5:11-13 How Very Juvenile~! Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Isaiah 29:16 ~ If The Sinner Will By God's Grace And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Acts 2:46-47 Just Look Through The Fog And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. Luke 2:25-32 And Repent Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Acts:3:19 There Will Be Joy In The Heavenlies Tonight I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. Luke 15:7 Love, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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