Who is this woman

[Izzel]

Numbers 14:34

King James Version (KJV)

 

 

 

Are  1260 Days, 42 months, 3 1/2 years  different ? Why 

 

 

they are the same. They all represent three and a half years.

 

 

interesting 

Edited January 30, 2014 by Izzel

[Izzel]

 

It is 1260 years 

 

 

A Time = 1 year

Times = 2 years

Dividing of Times = 1/2 year.

360 X 3yr =1080 180 or 1/2 year = 1260

 

Forty two months = 42 X 30 = 1260

Two hundred and threescore = 1260

This same power depicted as controlling religious affairs for 1260 years, will again arise. It's deadly wound healed. Together with the "power of the dragon" and "force of the second beast" the world will be brought to a crises. (See Rev. 13) Therefore it is imperative that we understand this issue.

 

 

Where is your evidence that the bible favors day=year  rather than day=day? I feel that a 3,5 year tribulation period is being referred to.

 

 is  this what you been taught ? a 3.5 year tribulation

 

 no where in the bible says how long is the tribulation 

[Izzel]

 

It is 1260 years 

 

 

A Time = 1 year

Times = 2 years

Dividing of Times = 1/2 year.

360 X 3yr =1080 180 or 1/2 year = 1260

 

Forty two months = 42 X 30 = 1260

Two hundred and threescore = 1260

This same power depicted as controlling religious affairs for 1260 years, will again arise. It's deadly wound healed. Together with the "power of the dragon" and "force of the second beast" the world will be brought to a crises. (See Rev. 13) Therefore it is imperative that we understand this issue.

 

 

Where is your evidence that the bible favors day=year  rather than day=day? I feel that a 3,5 year tribulation period is being referred to.

 

34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

 

1. A time is a year, times is two years, and the dividing of time is a half-year. The Amplified Bible translates it: "Three and one-half years." 1

2. This same time period is mentioned seven times (Daniel 7:25; 12:7; Revelation 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14; 13:5) in the books of Daniel and Revelation: three times as a time, times, and half a time; twice as 42 months; and twice as 1,260 days. Based on the 30-day calendar used by the Jews, these time periods are all the same amount of time:                         3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1,260 days.

3. One prophetic day equals one literal year (See Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34).

4. Thus, the little horn was to have power over the saints for 1,260 prophetic days or 1,260 literal years.

5. The rule of the papacy began in A.D. 538, when the last of the three opposing Arian kingdoms was uprooted. Its rule continued until 1798 when Napoleon's general, Berthier, took the pope captive with hopes of destroying both Pope Pius VI and the political, secular power of the papacy. This period of time is an exact fulfillment of the 1,260-year prophecy. The blow was a deadly wound for the papacy, but that wound began to heal and continues healing today. It is plain to see that this point, likewise, fits the papacy.

[ARGOSY]

 

 

It is 1260 years 

 

 

A Time = 1 year

Times = 2 years

Dividing of Times = 1/2 year.

360 X 3yr =1080 180 or 1/2 year = 1260

 

Forty two months = 42 X 30 = 1260

Two hundred and threescore = 1260

This same power depicted as controlling religious affairs for 1260 years, will again arise. It's deadly wound healed. Together with the "power of the dragon" and "force of the second beast" the world will be brought to a crises. (See Rev. 13) Therefore it is imperative that we understand this issue.

 

 

Where is your evidence that the bible favors day=year  rather than day=day? I feel that a 3,5 year tribulation period is being referred to.

 

 is  this what you been taught ? a 3.5 year tribulation

 

 no where in the bible says how long is the tribulation 

 

 

 

I believe the tribulation period is the period of persecution of the believers until the second coming/resurrection:

 

Rev 13:  And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

Daniel 7:

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time

[Izzel]

 

What time frame is this 12th chapter ?

 

2000 years ago ?

or

Is it all future ?

 

If its all future who is the man child ?

Who is the remnant that are born from her also sometime later ? (I can't seeing it being Mary other children)

 

It's complicated regarding past/future. The man child is Jesus, and the remnant is all born again christians.

Revelation 12 is split into three sections: http://www.easyenglish.info/bible-commentary/revelation-lbw.htm

When you see past or future that's me typing it into commentary...

 

1) Israel and Satan Revelation 12:1-6

Verses 1-2 The events that follow the seventh (7th) *trumpet include the 7 last troubles. These are in chapters 15 and 16. In chapters 12 to 14, John wrote about events that happen before those troubles. (FUTURE)

John saw a great sign in the sky. In other words, he saw a series of strange pictures. And these pictures had a meaning.

The action was in the sky and on the earth. It was not in heaven where God lives. John saw a woman who was ready to give birth to a son. (PAST) John described her in a strange way. He wrote that her dress was the sun. The moon was beneath her feet. She wore a crown. And there were 12 stars in her crown.

Joseph had a dream (Genesis 37:9-11) (PAST). In that dream, he saw the sun, the moon and 11 stars. The sun meant Jacob who was also called *Israel. The moon meant Jacob’s wife. The stars meant Joseph’s brothers. The 12 *tribes of *Israel came from Joseph and his brothers. So, the woman whom John saw meant the nation called *Israel. (PAST)

The woman cried out because of the pains of birth. The Christ would be born into the nation called *Israel. (PAST)

Verse 3 The next sign that John saw was a great red *dragon. The *dragon had 7 heads and 10 *horns. Each head had a crown on it. This is a description of the last great world government. (FUTURE) It will be a *kingdom that unites 10 separate *kingdoms (Daniel 7:7-8; Daniel 7:24). At the same time, the *dragon means someone in particular. The person who gives power to that *kingdom is *Satan. So, the great red *dragon means *Satan.

Verse 4 John saw the tail of the *dragon sweep the sky. A third of the stars seemed to fall out of the sky. These stars seem to mean *angels. When *Satan became God’s enemy, many *angels supported *Satan. These evil *angels had to leave heaven. (PAST)

The *dragon waited to kill the child as soon as it was born. When Jesus was born, Herod tried to kill him. This *dragon also failed. (PAST)

Verse 5 The baby boy was born to the woman. That boy was Jesus. He was born to Mary who belonged to the nation called *Israel. But the woman whom John saw was not Mary. The woman in John’s *prophecy meant the *Jews who believed in the *Lord. (PAST)

The *Lord Jesus Christ will rule on earth as the king over all the nations. He will be a strong ruler. All people will have to obey him. He will be strict with any who do not obey him. (FUTURE)

God sent Jesus with his parents to Egypt. So, Herod failed to kill him. Later Jesus died but God raised him from death. Then, after Jesus rose from death, he went up in a cloud into heaven. He went up to God and to his *throne. (PAST)

The evil plan of *Satan failed. Jesus defeated *Satan. And Jesus went up to God’s *throne in heaven. (PAST)

Verse 6 During the last three and a half years, *Satan will try to kill all the *Jews. But God will protect those *Jews who believe in him. He has prepared for them a place of safety. (FUTURE)

 

2) War in heaven Revelation 12:7-12

Verses 7-8 There was a war in heaven. *Satan (the *dragon) and his *angels were on the one side. Michael and his *angels were on the other side. (PAST)

*Satan used to be an *angel. He had tried to be equal with God. But *Satan failed and so he had to leave heaven. He took with him those *angels who had supported him. But, *Satan was still able to go in and out of heaven. So, this event is his final battle in heaven. (PAST)

Michael is one of the chief *angels of God. Michael fought against *Satan and defeated him. *Satan and his forces failed in the fight. They could not stay in heaven and they had to leave. (PAST)

Verse 9 The *dragon means *Satan. He is the devil. He was also the snake that caused people to *sin (Genesis 3:1-7).

Michael threw *Satan and his *angels out of heaven. He threw them down to the earth. (PAST)

Verse 10 John saw *Satan and his *angels fall from heaven. Then John heard a loud voice in heaven. The voice said that now God would rescue his people. God will use his power and his *kingdom will come. Jesus Christ will soon rule the earth. He will rule on this earth for a thousand years (chapter 20). (PAST/FUTURE)

Now *Satan could not go to God in heaven. From the start, he had been there day and night. (PAST/FUTURE)

All the time he accused God’s people of *sin. But now the *Lord threw him out of heaven. (PAST/FUTURE)

Verse 11 The defeat of *Satan was not merely the work of *angels. Jesus died and he rose again from death. This is how Jesus defeated *Satan.

Those who believed in Jesus Christ overcame *Satan. The blood of the *Lamb had removed all their *sins. So, *Satan had no reason to continue to accuse them. They spoke the truth about God and *Satan had no answer to it. They were willing to die if necessary and they were not afraid of death.

Those who believe in Jesus Christ share in his success. What Jesus achieved, he did for God’s people. This is the defeat of *Satan.

Verse 12 The war in heaven has ended. *Satan has failed. The *Lord has sent *Satan away. Those who live in heaven can be happy.

The *Lord threw the devil down onto the earth. The devil will know that his end is near. He will have a short time when he will continue to work on the earth. He will be angry, fierce and cruel. During this short time, it will be terrible for those who live on the earth. (FUTURE)

This short time means the same three and a half years as in verse 6. At the end of that time, Christ will arrest *Satan. Chains will bind *Satan and he will remain in the great hole for a thousand (1000) years. (FUTURE)

 

3) War on the earth Revelation 12:13-18

Verse 13 The *dragon could not kill the child. God threw the *dragon (*Satan) out of heaven. So, the *dragon turned his attention to the woman. He tried to kill her. (PAST)

The woman means the true *Jews. They are the *Jews who trust in God. *Satan will oppose them. But God will protect them.

Verse 14 God gave to the woman a pair of wings. They were like the wings of a great *eagle. The *eagle is a very powerful bird. With these wings, the woman escaped from the *dragon.

The *Lord had prepared a place for the woman. It was in the desert. She flew there and she was safe. The *Lord protected her for three and a half years. The *dragon had just three and a half years before Christ would arrest him. The woman was safe for the whole of that period. (FUTURE)

This means that the *Lord protects his own people. So, the *Lord will protect until the end the *Jews who trust in him.

The *dragon tried to reach the woman. But he was not able to hurt her. (FUTURE)

Verses 15-16 As the woman flew to the desert, the *dragon opened his mouth. He sent a great flood of water after her. If the water had reached her, she would have drowned. But the earth opened up and it swallowed the water. So, the water could not reach the woman. She was safe from the flood. (?)

The devil will pour out all his evil deeds against the *Jews. He will do all that he can to kill all of them. But God will not allow him to succeed. God has promised to rescue his people (called *Israel) in the last days. And God will do the things that he promised to do. God will save *Israel. (FUTURE)

Verse 17 The *dragon was angry because he could not reach the woman. So, he went to fight her other children. (?)

Christ came from the *Jews. He, the Son of God, was by birth a *Jew. Those who believed in him did not become *Jews. The children of the woman were both *Jews and those who were not *Jews.

The *dragon could not hurt the *Jews. So, he attacked God’s people who were not *Jews.

God’s people will suffer terrible problems for those three and a half years. Those who believe in Jesus will suffer much. Many of them will die because they believe in Jesus. It will be a terrible time. (FUTURE)

 

Hellooooooo what is this  PAST /FUTURE

[Izzel]

 

 

 

It is 1260 years 

 

 

A Time = 1 year

Times = 2 years

Dividing of Times = 1/2 year.

360 X 3yr =1080 180 or 1/2 year = 1260

 

Forty two months = 42 X 30 = 1260

Two hundred and threescore = 1260

This same power depicted as controlling religious affairs for 1260 years, will again arise. It's deadly wound healed. Together with the "power of the dragon" and "force of the second beast" the world will be brought to a crises. (See Rev. 13) Therefore it is imperative that we understand this issue.

 

 

Where is your evidence that the bible favors day=year  rather than day=day? I feel that a 3,5 year tribulation period is being referred to.

 

 is  this what you been taught ? a 3.5 year tribulation

 

 no where in the bible says how long is the tribulation 

 

 

 

I believe the tribulation period is the period of persecution of the believers until the second coming/resurrection:

 

Rev 13:  And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

Daniel 7:

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time

 

so we have 1260 years of this earth ?

[Izzel]

 

 

 

It is 1260 years 

 

 

A Time = 1 year

Times = 2 years

Dividing of Times = 1/2 year.

360 X 3yr =1080 180 or 1/2 year = 1260

 

Forty two months = 42 X 30 = 1260

Two hundred and threescore = 1260

This same power depicted as controlling religious affairs for 1260 years, will again arise. It's deadly wound healed. Together with the "power of the dragon" and "force of the second beast" the world will be brought to a crises. (See Rev. 13) Therefore it is imperative that we understand this issue.

 

 

Where is your evidence that the bible favors day=year  rather than day=day? I feel that a 3,5 year tribulation period is being referred to.

 

 is  this what you been taught ? a 3.5 year tribulation

 

 no where in the bible says how long is the tribulation 

 

 

 

I believe the tribulation period is the period of persecution of the believers until the second coming/resurrection:

 

Rev 13:  And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

Daniel 7:

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time

 

 A time is a year, times is two years, and the dividing of time is a half-year. The Amplified Bible translates it: "Three and one-half years." 1

2. This same time period is mentioned seven times (Daniel 7:25; 12:7; Revelation 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14; 13:5) in the books of Daniel and Revelation: three times as a time, times, and half a time; twice as 42 months; and twice as 1,260 days. Based on the 30-day calendar used by the Jews, these time periods are all the same amount of time: 3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1,260 days.

3. One prophetic day equals one literal year (See Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34).

4. Thus, the little horn was to have power over the saints for 1,260 prophetic days or 1,260 literal years.

 

This is already past the 1260 days or years 

 

The saint will be persecuted in the future but not for 1260 years 

[ARGOSY]

 

 

It is 1260 years 

 

 

A Time = 1 year

Times = 2 years

Dividing of Times = 1/2 year.

360 X 3yr =1080 180 or 1/2 year = 1260

 

Forty two months = 42 X 30 = 1260

Two hundred and threescore = 1260

This same power depicted as controlling religious affairs for 1260 years, will again arise. It's deadly wound healed. Together with the "power of the dragon" and "force of the second beast" the world will be brought to a crises. (See Rev. 13) Therefore it is imperative that we understand this issue.

 

 

Where is your evidence that the bible favors day=year  rather than day=day? I feel that a 3,5 year tribulation period is being referred to.

 

34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

 

1. A time is a year, times is two years, and the dividing of time is a half-year. The Amplified Bible translates it: "Three and one-half years." 1

2. This same time period is mentioned seven times (Daniel 7:25; 12:7; Revelation 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14; 13:5) in the books of Daniel and Revelation: three times as a time, times, and half a time; twice as 42 months; and twice as 1,260 days. Based on the 30-day calendar used by the Jews, these time periods are all the same amount of time:                         3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1,260 days.

3. One prophetic day equals one literal year (See Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34).

4. Thus, the little horn was to have power over the saints for 1,260 prophetic days or 1,260 literal years.

5. The rule of the papacy began in A.D. 538, when the last of the three opposing Arian kingdoms was uprooted. Its rule continued until 1798 when Napoleon's general, Berthier, took the pope captive with hopes of destroying both Pope Pius VI and the political, secular power of the papacy. This period of time is an exact fulfillment of the 1,260-year prophecy. The blow was a deadly wound for the papacy, but that wound began to heal and continues healing today. It is plain to see that this point, likewise, fits the papacy.

 

 

Your argument for a day = year is based on Ezekiel 4:6  and Numbers 14:34, but looking at those verses in both cases the it was explained clearly that a day represented a year. In other prophecies in the bible where that scale has not been explained, a year represents a year, there is no scaling.

 

For example  Jeremiah 29:10   For thus saith the Lord, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

 

(this was fulfilled in 70 years)

 

 

Also in Genesis 41:29  Seven years of great abundance are coming throughout the land of Egypt,  but seven years of famine will follow them

 

This was also literally fulfilled in 14 years.

 

 

And so I still don't see why your interpretation has to be the right one, there is nothing wrong with a year=year view of bible prophecy.

[Guest DRS81]

It is 1260 years 

 

A Time = 1 year

Times = 2 years

Dividing of Times = 1/2 year.

360 X 3yr =1080 180 or 1/2 year = 1260

 

Forty two months = 42 X 30 = 1260

Two hundred and threescore = 1260

This same power depicted as controlling religious affairs for 1260 years, will again arise. It's deadly wound healed. Together with the "power of the dragon" and "force of the second beast" the world will be brought to a crises. (See Rev. 13) Therefore it is imperative that we understand this issue.

 

You're doing the math wrong. Do you know what Jubilee timing is?

 

Jubilee Timing vs. Our Timing

70 Weeks: Daniel 9:24-27

Great Tribulation: Daniel 9:27 / Daniel 12:11 / Rev 12:6 / Rev 13:5 Jubilee Timing

1 week = 7 year periods

7 weeks = 49 year periods

62 weeks = 434 year periods

69 (7+62) weeks = 483 year periods

70 weeks = 490 year periods of time

Our Timing

3.5 year tribulation / 3.5 year great tribulation = 7 years

1,260 days / 3.5 years = 360 days in a biblical year

42 months = 12 months in a year/24 months in 2 years/36 months in 3 years/42 Months is 3.5 years

 

is  this what you been taught ? a 3.5 year tribulation

 

 no where in the bible says how long is the tribulation 

 

It is in the Bible Izzel. Rev 13:5 clearly states that the great trib is 3.5 years. Again, you need to learn Daniel 9:24-27 and what Jubilee timing is. It's important to emphasize that the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation are not synonymous terms. The Tribulation refers to the full seven-year period while the “Great Tribulation” refers to the second half of the Tribulation. (Rev 13:5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months.) 42 months is 3.5 years, the great tribulation.

 

[Izzel]

Ephesians 5:25

King James Version (KJV)

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

 In Joseph's dream clearly  Joseph's father Israel (sun), his mother Rachel (moon) and his eleven brothers (stars) . Joseph, in this case, would be the 12th brother or "star."

But when we go to Revelation 12 radically alters the elements of Joseph's dream. Please note the positions of the symbols thus the interprtation is not based on Genesis 37 It reinterprets them in terms of spiritual Israel — the  pure church

The woman being arrayed with the sun (gospel )  represent the church as the radiant bride of Christ . The moon under the woman's feet and the crown on her head could depict her victory through Christ and over darkness .The 12 stars represents the 12 apostles . The church is the mother, from whom and for whom the Messiah comes