*Zion* Posted February 6, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I know we can only speculate, (or can we do more???) but it would be interesting and informative to exchange thoughts. I do think it was because it seems to me that it was God in the form of man, who is Jesus, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I know we can only speculate, (or can we do more???) but it would be interesting and informative to exchange thoughts. I do think it was because it seems to me that it was God in the form of man, who is Jesus, right? Many do believe it was a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus. Interestingly, Hosea 12: 3,4 mentions this encounter and refers to the man as an angel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted February 6, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 I know we can only speculate, (or can we do more???) but it would be interesting and informative to exchange thoughts. I do think it was because it seems to me that it was God in the form of man, who is Jesus, right? Many do believe it was a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus. Interestingly, Hosea 12: 3,4 mentions this encounter and refers to the man as an angel. Indeed. I have heard it said that the Angel of the Lord is actually Jesus. I'm unsure as to how accurate that is, and I am unaware of all the arguments for and against that. What is your personal conclusion in this particular instance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted February 6, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I would say it could have been but we can never know for sure. If the angel had been named, that would have been different. Then there would be no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted February 6, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 Yers, I'm not really after absolute proof, just people's thoughts and why they're inclined to think them, seeing as there is no obvious scriptural proof, as you say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted February 6, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 306 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,130 Content Per Day: 4.64 Reputation: 27,806 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2014 Blessings Zion... In the Genesis account "iysh" is used to refer to the man which is not expressed or really translated into English except that Jacob describing a "great,mighty or worthy man"& when referred to in Hosea 12 the word "mal'ak"is used .meaning dispatched from God,messenger(angel,king,ambassador)..........since every word does not come from the prophets interpretation but by Gods Will,the Holy Spirit.......(2 Peter 1:20) we know this messenger was sent by God but we just do not know if it was Jesus or an Angel...... LOL,for some reason I cannot imagine Jesus not able to overcome any human being oir even wrestling with a man,I just think it was an angel,I do not7 even believe it was Michael or Gabriel becase I think they would have told Jacob their name,.......I have no way of knowing for sure,,,,"yet" Glory & Praise to Godr! With love,in Christ-Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 6, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,043 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,785 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2014 I think it was,,, or at least I think he thought it was for he made the comment that he had seen God face to face and prevailed. Seeing an angel would not have been that much of an issue. Then again the thought of Jacob beating up God till God used his super powers on him just doesn't sound right either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted February 6, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 Sorry, I forgot to 'quote' and I don't know how to do it in editing, so I just copied and pasted Kwik said: Blessings Zion... In the Genesis account "iysh" is used to refer to the man which is not expressed or really translated into English except that Jacob describing a "great,mighty or worthy man"& when referred to in Hosea 12 the word "mal'ak"is used .meaning dispatched from God,messenger(angel,king,ambassador)..........since every word does not come from the prophets interpretation but by Gods Will,the Holy Spirit.......(2 Peter 1:20) we know this messenger was sent by God but we just do not know if it was Jesus or an Angel...... LOL,for some reason I cannot imagine Jesus not able to overcome any human being oir even wrestling with a man,I just think it was an angel,I do not7 even believe it was Michael or Gabriel becase I think they would have told Jacob their name,.......I have no way of knowing for sure,,,,"yet" Glory & Praise to Godr! With love,in Christ-Kwik I don't think Jesus functioning in the weakness of flesh was ever an issue for him: Philippians 2:5-8 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Let's take a look at the passage: Genesis 32:24-30 24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. 25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. 26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. 27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. 28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. 29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. 30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. Here's the thing: has God given his angels the authority to pronounce a blessing? Not saying 'God blesses you' but 'I bless you'? Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted February 6, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Jdg 13:17 And Manoah said to the angel of the LORD, "What is your name, so that, when your words come true, we may honor you?" Jdg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said to him, "Why do you ask my name, seeing it is wonderful?" Jdg 13:19 So Manoah took the young goat with the grain offering, and offered it on the rock to the LORD, to the one who works wonders, and Manoah and his wife were watching. Jdg 13:20 And when the flame went up toward heaven from the altar, the angel of the LORD went up in the flame of the altar. Now Manoah and his wife were watching, and they fell on their faces to the ground. Jdg 13:21 The angel of the LORD appeared no more to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was the angel of the LORD. Jdg 13:22 And Manoah said to his wife, "We shall surely die, for we have seen God." Jdg 13:23 But his wife said to him, "If the LORD had meant to kill us, he would not have accepted a burnt offering and a grain offering at our hands, or shown us all these things, or now announced to us such things as these." Interesting. Did Jesus appear as an angel, or is this a metaphor for Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 6, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.96 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I've heard it proposed that anytime the angel is called "the angel of the Lord" it is actually pre-incarnate Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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