alphaparticle Posted February 12, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2014 My question is, what is the exactly distinction between OEC and ID? Can you be OEC and think that God created life in stages that resemble evolution? Can you be an ID type and think that God created through evolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 My question is, what is the exactly distinction between OEC and ID? Can you be OEC and think that God created life in stages that resemble evolution? Can you be an ID type and think that God created through evolution? I don't think so. If you watch the film "Expelled" with Ben Stein, it is clear that the evolution community considers ID to be sourge of the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaparticle Posted February 12, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 My question is, what is the exactly distinction between OEC and ID? Can you be OEC and think that God created life in stages that resemble evolution? Can you be an ID type and think that God created through evolution? I don't think so. If you watch the film "Expelled" with Ben Stein, it is clear that the evolution community considers ID to be sourge of the earth. Yeah. But suppose you decide to ignore their distaste of ID and look just at the principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForAnswers Posted February 12, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,033 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 67 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2014 Those that think that God created through evolution are called Theistic Evolutionist and they are different from IDers. This site gives the TE's point of view on ID....http://www.theistic-evolution.com/design.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Evolution simply cannot be mixed with creationism or with ID. It may work in someone's imagination, but the reality is that neither the Bible nor Evolution are smorgasboards from which you can pick and choose according to your taste. You cannot be an evolutionist on your own terms. At some point, you will need to decide if evolution or the Bible holds the truth. God doesn't share His glory. Trying to live with one foot in naturalism and one foot in the Bible simply doesn't work. Those are two worldviews that stand mutually exclusive to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForAnswers Posted February 12, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,033 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 67 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2014 I have never been comfortable telling someone what they can and cannot believe, just reeks too much of arrogance. I have read Dr Collins' The Language of God, and while I don't agree with him on it all he has a clear, concise and coherent point of view. To tell him he cannot hold that view is just going too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaparticle Posted February 12, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 shiloh- you've stated this before and at this point is kind of meaningless rhetoric to me. You can accuse me of smorgasbord reasoning all day but you have yet to convince me that I am in error that way. Looking- I should check out the Collins book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LookingForAnswers Posted February 12, 2014 Group: Seeker Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,033 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 67 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2014 It is a very good book, his journey to discovery is fascinating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray wolf Posted February 12, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,046 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 194 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/25/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/30/1960 Share Posted February 12, 2014 We have to look at the evidence with an open mind and let it speak for itself. For example, if bristlecone pines tell us they are 8200 years old, then perhaps some of our dates, such as the Flood, may be coming from an error in assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted February 12, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.91 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted February 12, 2014 We have to look at the evidence with an open mind and let it speak for itself. For example, if bristlecone pines tell us they are 8200 years old, then perhaps some of our dates, such as the Flood, may be coming from an error in assumptions. Or maybe first we should look @ that "8200 year old" claim (I think it's actually 8700 years old) to Verify and assess Veracity. Source: http://creation.com/evidence-for-multiple-ring-growth-per-year-in-bristlecone-pines It appears these trees and their subsequent "Tree Rings" are very sensitive to climate/weather anamolies...... '.....induced multiple ring growth in sapling BCPs by simply simulating a two week drought.' Lammerts, W.E., Are the Bristle-cone Pine trees really so old? Creation Research Society Quarterly 20(2):108–115, 1983 An expert in the genus Pinus didn’t seem to have any problem believing that White Mountain BCPs grew multiple rings per year. In his book, The Genus Pinus, Mirov states, ‘Apparently a semblance of annual rings is formed after every rather infrequent cloudburst.' Mirov, N.T., The Genus Pinus, Ronald Press Co., New York, 1967. 'It is important to understand that the idea that mature trees can grow more than one ring per year is not a highly speculative hypothesis. It is well established that mature trees of many species of both angiosperms and gymnosperms, including other species of the genus Pinus, can grow multiple rings per year, especially under the types of conditions in which some of the BCPs in the White Mountains grow.' Glock et al. published a large study in 1960 documenting the common occurrence of multiple ring growth per year, under conditions similar to those in the White Mountains. Glock W.S., Studhalter, R.A. and Agerter, S.R., Classification and multiplicity of growth layers in the branches of trees, Smithsonian Miscellaneous Collections 140(1):1–292, 1960. They found that multiplicity was more than twice as common as annularity, and conclude that probably very few annual increments, over the entire tree, consist of only one growth. Glock W.S., Studhalter, R.A. and Agerter, S.R., Classification and multiplicity of growth layers in the branches of trees, Smithsonian Miscellaneous Collections 140(1): p. 123, 1960 'researchers must use wood from dead trees to extend the chronology beyond the lifetime of currently living trees. The older parts of the chronology come from dead wood found lying on the ground near the living trees. This means that some pieces of wood in the earliest part of the chronology would have had to lie around on the ground for more than 7,000 years!' Thanks Grey...it's been a while since I looked @ this. ps. I like the new avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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