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just thought Id throw this article out there, to show you how most of the scientific community thinks-and why we shouldn't assume things.

 

http://discovercreation.org/documents/SunbeamHotSpringsALessoninPresumption.htm

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just thought Id throw this article out there, to show you how most of the scientific community thinks-and why we shouldn't assume things.

 

http://discovercreation.org/documents/SunbeamHotSpringsALessoninPresumption.htm

 

That's a good one and very instructive.

 

You can add that to the long list of:  Dino Soft Tissue, Junk DNA ......The list "I Presume" is quite Long  :)

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It's a good lesson for all of us.  :)

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just thought Id throw this article out there, to show you how most of the scientific community thinks-and why we shouldn't assume things.

 

http://discovercreation.org/documents/SunbeamHotSpringsALessoninPresumption.htm

I didnt find that article informative enough to convince me that theres some assumption on anyones part. Other than that nice comment down the bottom about the indoctrination stuff. However if those facts are scientificly correct then it helps scientist to improve the theory of evolution, how? Well with any scientific theory the idea is to disprove the theory so it can then can be improved upon. If in fact evolution ever gets disproved then science will have replaced it with a better theory.

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just thought Id throw this article out there, to show you how most of the scientific community thinks-and why we shouldn't assume things.

 

http://discovercreation.org/documents/SunbeamHotSpringsALessoninPresumption.htm

I didnt find that article informative enough to convince me that theres some assumption on anyones part. In any scientific theory the idea is to disprove the theory so it can then can be improved. If in fact evolution ever gets disproved then science will have replaced it with a better theory.

 

 

 

The main point of the article was an "a priori" assumption that hindered discovery via assuming something that wasn't true.

 

 

If in fact evolution ever gets disproved then science will have replaced it with a better theory.

 

Don't you have to PROVE something to then.....Disprove it?  And by the way....Darwinian Evolution was "DISPROVED" in 1972 with Punctuated Equilibrium.... aka: "Ad Hoc" Hypothesis.

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just thought Id throw this article out there, to show you how most of the scientific community thinks-and why we shouldn't assume things.

 

http://discovercreation.org/documents/SunbeamHotSpringsALessoninPresumption.htm

I didnt find that article informative enough to convince me that theres some assumption on anyones part. With any scientific theory the idea is to disprove the theory so it can then can be improved upon. If in fact evolution ever gets disproved then science will have replaced it with a better theory.

 

That's just it;  Evolution has been proven to begin with.   It is presumed true and is taught as fact, but it has never been empirically proven nor has it been intuitively observed.    Evolution is not a theory.  It is an untested hypothesis.  

 

The article warns against just taking something and presuming its truth without question simply because a scientist delcares it to be true. 

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I didn't find that article informative enough to convince me that theres some assumption on anyones part. With any scientific theory the idea is to disprove the theory so it can then can be improved upon. If in fact evolution ever gets disproved then science will have replaced it with a better theory.

 

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Every Saturday Around The World

 

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

 

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

 

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11

 

Evolution

 

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Isaiah 29:16

 

Is Debunked

 

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

 

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

 

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:1-3

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Assumptions.

 

If A = B, then A + C = B + C.

 

Can science (or any logical system) dispense with assumptions like the above; that is axioms?

Can you prove anything whatsoever without tracing it back to axioms, self-evident truths which are never proven, but used for proof?

 

How do you know that D is true?

D is true becs of E.

Fine, but how do you know that E is true?

E is true becs of F.

Yofi, but how do you know that F is true?

F is true because of G.

Marvey, but how do you know that G is true?

 

As you can see, such proof never proves anything, because it leads to an endless series, in which a proof can always be demanded for a proof.

 

So if you don't have any axioms, self-evident truths to assume, how can you ever prove anything logically?

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So take the evidence and run with it!

Shall we play the William Tell Overture Finale whilst we run?

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