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Isaiah 45:7

 

 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. KJV

 

I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things. ESV

 

It has been put forth that God is the creator of evil, or that He creates evil based on this verse.  Now, I do not believe that this passage is speaking of moral evil, but putting that aside I would like to ask, how would one create "moral evil" or even darkness for that matter. 

 

It is my view that both evil and darkness are the absence of something, not a thing in and of themselves.  Evil is the absence of goodness and darkness is the absence of light.  When we make a room dark, we do not actually add darkness, we remove light.  We turn off the lights, we do not flip a switch and turn on the darkness.  There is no such thing as a "flashdark".

 

So, how is darkness created?

 

Evil is the same, when we speak of evil it is always measured by how far it is from our view of "good.  In the grand scheme of things God is pure goodness and anything moved away from His level has a taint of evil to it.  But God cannot create that evil, for him to do so, even if such a thing were possible, would mean that God had the capacity for evil.  The God of our Bible has no such capacity.

 

 

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I would say it's Him saying He created it because He wrote the moral laws.  He also created the universe and with it was darkness until He spoke light into existence.  But God is light and love and the absence of God is darkness and evil. 

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I would say it's Him saying He created it because He wrote the moral laws.  He also created the universe and with it was darkness until He spoke light into existence.  But God is light and love and the absence of God is darkness and evil. 

 

This is one of those things that we will never have a good answer to on this side of Heave, but...if God created the universe and God is Light and God is everywhere, why was the universe dark?

 

Or, was just the earth in the dark?   Verse 2 speaks of the earth and verse 3 is God calling in light.  hmmmm

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Isaiah 45:7

 

 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. KJV

 

I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things. ESV

 

It has been put forth that God is the creator of evil, or that He creates evil based on this verse.  Now, I do not believe that this passage is speaking of moral evil, but putting that aside I would like to ask, how would one create "moral evil" or even darkness for that matter. 

 

It is my view that both evil and darkness are the absence of something, not a thing in and of themselves.  Evil is the absence of goodness and darkness is the absence of light.  When we make a room dark, we do not actually add darkness, we remove light.  We turn off the lights, we do not flip a switch and turn on the darkness.  There is no such thing as a "flashdark".

 

So, how is darkness created?

 

Evil is the same, when we speak of evil it is always measured by how far it is from our view of "good.  In the grand scheme of things God is pure goodness and anything moved away from His level has a taint of evil to it.  But God cannot create that evil, for him to do so, even if such a thing were possible, would mean that God had the capacity for evil.  The God of our Bible has no such capacity.

 

What you have is grammatical synonymous parallel where the first half is repeated, but in different words.  Light and darkness are the same as peace and calamity.  He is not talking about  light and darkness in the sense of the physical light and darkness that cover the earth.  Furthermomre "light and darkness,"  and "peace and calamity" are both merisms which express totality in terms of polarity.  

 

This is an expression of God's sovereignty over all that happens, good and bad. 

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Isaiah 45:7

 

 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. KJV

 

I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things. ESV

 

It has been put forth that God is the creator of evil, or that He creates evil based on this verse.  Now, I do not believe that this passage is speaking of moral evil, but putting that aside I would like to ask, how would one create "moral evil" or even darkness for that matter. 

 

It is my view that both evil and darkness are the absence of something, not a thing in and of themselves.  Evil is the absence of goodness and darkness is the absence of light.  When we make a room dark, we do not actually add darkness, we remove light.  We turn off the lights, we do not flip a switch and turn on the darkness.  There is no such thing as a "flashdark".

 

So, how is darkness created?

 

Evil is the same, when we speak of evil it is always measured by how far it is from our view of "good.  In the grand scheme of things God is pure goodness and anything moved away from His level has a taint of evil to it.  But God cannot create that evil, for him to do so, even if such a thing were possible, would mean that God had the capacity for evil.  The God of our Bible has no such capacity.

 

What you have is grammatical synonymous parallel where the first half is repeated, but in different words.  Light and darkness are the same as peace and calamity.  He is not talking about  light and darkness in the sense of the physical light and darkness that cover the earth.  Furthermomre "light and darkness,"  and "peace and calamity" are both merisms which express totality in terms of polarity.  

 

This is an expression of God's sovereignty over all that happens, good and bad. 

 

 

So, does God create moral evil?

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Isaiah 45:7

 

 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. KJV

 

I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things. ESV

 

It has been put forth that God is the creator of evil, or that He creates evil based on this verse.  Now, I do not believe that this passage is speaking of moral evil, but putting that aside I would like to ask, how would one create "moral evil" or even darkness for that matter. 

 

It is my view that both evil and darkness are the absence of something, not a thing in and of themselves.  Evil is the absence of goodness and darkness is the absence of light.  When we make a room dark, we do not actually add darkness, we remove light.  We turn off the lights, we do not flip a switch and turn on the darkness.  There is no such thing as a "flashdark".

 

So, how is darkness created?

 

Evil is the same, when we speak of evil it is always measured by how far it is from our view of "good.  In the grand scheme of things God is pure goodness and anything moved away from His level has a taint of evil to it.  But God cannot create that evil, for him to do so, even if such a thing were possible, would mean that God had the capacity for evil.  The God of our Bible has no such capacity.

 

What you have is grammatical synonymous parallel where the first half is repeated, but in different words.  Light and darkness are the same as peace and calamity.  He is not talking about  light and darkness in the sense of the physical light and darkness that cover the earth.  Furthermomre "light and darkness,"  and "peace and calamity" are both merisms which express totality in terms of polarity.  

 

This is an expression of God's sovereignty over all that happens, good and bad. 

 

 

So, does God create moral evil?

 

No, God doesn't create  moral evil and the passage isn't say that He does.  it simply means that God is sovereign over all that happens. 

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Isaiah 45:7

 

 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. KJV

 

I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things. ESV

 

It has been put forth that God is the creator of evil, or that He creates evil based on this verse.  Now, I do not believe that this passage is speaking of moral evil, but putting that aside I would like to ask, how would one create "moral evil" or even darkness for that matter. 

 

It is my view that both evil and darkness are the absence of something, not a thing in and of themselves.  Evil is the absence of goodness and darkness is the absence of light.  When we make a room dark, we do not actually add darkness, we remove light.  We turn off the lights, we do not flip a switch and turn on the darkness.  There is no such thing as a "flashdark".

 

So, how is darkness created?

 

Evil is the same, when we speak of evil it is always measured by how far it is from our view of "good.  In the grand scheme of things God is pure goodness and anything moved away from His level has a taint of evil to it.  But God cannot create that evil, for him to do so, even if such a thing were possible, would mean that God had the capacity for evil.  The God of our Bible has no such capacity.

 

What you have is grammatical synonymous parallel where the first half is repeated, but in different words.  Light and darkness are the same as peace and calamity.  He is not talking about  light and darkness in the sense of the physical light and darkness that cover the earth.  Furthermomre "light and darkness,"  and "peace and calamity" are both merisms which express totality in terms of polarity.  

 

This is an expression of God's sovereignty over all that happens, good and bad. 

 

 

So, does God create moral evil?

 

No, God doesn't create  moral evil and the passage isn't say that He does.  it simply means that God is sovereign over all that happens. 

 

 

I could not agree more.  Good to know there is at least one thing we can agree on! :t2:

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Isaiah 45:7

 

 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. KJV

 

I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the Lord, who does all these things. ESV

 

It has been put forth that God is the creator of evil, or that He creates evil based on this verse.  Now, I do not believe that this passage is speaking of moral evil, but putting that aside I would like to ask, how would one create "moral evil" or even darkness for that matter. 

 

It is my view that both evil and darkness are the absence of something, not a thing in and of themselves.  Evil is the absence of goodness and darkness is the absence of light.  When we make a room dark, we do not actually add darkness, we remove light.  We turn off the lights, we do not flip a switch and turn on the darkness.  There is no such thing as a "flashdark".

 

So, how is darkness created?

 

Evil is the same, when we speak of evil it is always measured by how far it is from our view of "good.  In the grand scheme of things God is pure goodness and anything moved away from His level has a taint of evil to it.  But God cannot create that evil, for him to do so, even if such a thing were possible, would mean that God had the capacity for evil.  The God of our Bible has no such capacity.

 

What you have is grammatical synonymous parallel where the first half is repeated, but in different words.  Light and darkness are the same as peace and calamity.  He is not talking about  light and darkness in the sense of the physical light and darkness that cover the earth.  Furthermomre "light and darkness,"  and "peace and calamity" are both merisms which express totality in terms of polarity.  

 

This is an expression of God's sovereignty over all that happens, good and bad. 

 

 

So, does God create moral evil?

 

No, God doesn't create  moral evil and the passage isn't say that He does.  it simply means that God is sovereign over all that happens. 

 

 

I could not agree more.  Good to know there is at least one thing we can agree on! :t2:

 

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yeah I agree that this is one of those things we will have to ask God when we get to Heaven.  There are a lot of things that atheists bring forth about God's nature.  Why does a loving God kill every living person and animal on earth except for who/what was in the Ark (if you believe in a literal flood).  Why does God allow earthquakes and tornadoes and every horrible disaster?  Why didn't God stop 9/11 from happening?  I was angry at God when my dad was killed in a work accident. 

 

A lot of things that happen we would consider evil.  Why would God allow the things the devil did to Job?  I mean, how do we explain that God is love when He placed a wager on a man's life with the devil who tortured him in every way imaginable? 

 

But we're only looking at it from our own limited understanding and when we get to Heaven, our idea of what is right and wrong will probably be flipped upside down.

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yeah I agree that this is one of those things we will have to ask God when we get to Heaven.  There are a lot of things that atheists bring forth about God's nature.  Why does a loving God kill every living person and animal on earth except for who/what was in the Ark (if you believe in a literal flood).  Why does God allow earthquakes and tornadoes and every horrible disaster?  Why didn't God stop 9/11 from happening?  I was angry at God when my dad was killed in a work accident. 

 

A lot of things that happen we would consider evil.  Why would God allow the things the devil did to Job?  I mean, how do we explain that God is love when He placed a wager on a man's life with the devil who tortured him in every way imaginable? 

 

But we're only looking at it from our own limited understanding and when we get to Heaven, our idea of what is right and wrong will probably be flipped upside down.

 

 

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Why does a loving God kill every living person and animal on earth except for who/what was in the Ark (if you believe in a literal flood).

 

IMHO, Hybrids (SEE: Genesis 6).  Why wouldn't we believe in a Literal Flood?

 

Appears that scenario is gonna be a player again.....

 

(Daniel 2:43) "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."

 

HE actually told us.....(Matthew 24:37) " But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."

 

 

 

Why does God allow earthquakes and tornadoes and every horrible disaster?  Why didn't God stop 9/11 from happening?

 

(Genesis 3:17) "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;"

 

I was angry at God when my dad was killed in a work accident.

 

That is an Unimaginable Tragedy.

 

 

Why would God allow the things the devil did to Job?

 

A TEST....and is quite Profound and has far reaching affects for every Christian.  Unfortunately, those not reading their Bibles and understanding this most obvious FACT, will came Face To Face with this dilemma; Unprepared and Unaware....which is another Tragedy.

 

 

But we're only looking at it from our own limited understanding and when we get to Heaven, our idea of what is right and wrong will probably be flipped upside down.

 

Oh Yea!!!  We have No Clue concerning Perspective and this Life is less than a tiny puff of smoke compared to Eternity.

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