Enoch2021 Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted March 10, 2014 ====================================================================================== I am not sure how that would really relate to the OP. Sorry, it's just a habit of mine when I see Generalized Unsupported Statements....it's like Pavlov's Dogs. There is no reason to expect that we can do that if atheism is true. Agreed. But, You really don't need any Math in that "specific" case, "Specific Complexity" takes care of that quite demonstrably. The Importance of Math with Observation and Experiment are each self limiting without the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaparticle Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 ====================================================================================== I am not sure how that would really relate to the OP. Sorry, it's just a habit of mine when I see Generalized Unsupported Statements....it's like Pavlov's Dogs. There is no reason to expect that we can do that if atheism is true. Agreed. But, You really don't need any Math in that "specific" case, "Specific Complexity" takes care of that quite demonstrably. The Importance of Math with Observation and Experiment are each self limiting without the other. ??? I do not follow. And as far as Tesla, I just realized I don't think I really care what people think of him at all. I'm not really an anti Tesla-ite or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted March 10, 2014 =========================================================================== ??? I do not follow. What are you not following Specifically??? And as far as Tesla, I just realized I don't think I really care what people think of him at all. I'm not really an anti Tesla-ite or anything. The FBI (Government) sure had a "thing" for Tesla. Anti "Tesla-ite"..... that is too funny. This was my point,...... "We have to learn again that science without contact with experiments is an enterprise which is likely to go completely astray into imaginary conjecture" Hannes Alfven PhD, Noble Prize Physics 1970 We're gonna touch on some of that "imaginary conjecture" over the next few weeks and beyond. We'll start off today with a subject that, as far as I'm aware, hasn't been talked about @ all....The Nebular Hypothesis. Hopefully, most know it's a Laugher....but you never can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted March 10, 2014 ... “Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ”Nikola Tesla Nikola Tesla a home boy, my GrandMother was born in Croatia. Hail to the Motherland!! LOLRecently There was a big debate re whether or not the ashes of Nikola Tesla will be transferred from a museum in Belgrade named after him to the yard of St. Sava's Temple.And wasn't Tesla of Serbian descent?http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2014&mm=02&dd=28&nav_id=89484 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted March 10, 2014 ... “Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” Nikola Tesla Nikola Tesla a home boy, my GrandMother was born in Croatia. Hail to the Motherland!! LOL Recently There was a big debate re whether or not the ashes of Nikola Tesla will be transferred from a museum in Belgrade named after him to the yard of St. Sava's Temple. And wasn't Tesla of Serbian descent? http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society.php?yyyy=2014&mm=02&dd=28&nav_id=89484 =========================================================================== And wasn't Tesla of Serbian descent? Yes, but he was Born in Croatia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Share Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) And wasn't Tesla of Serbian descent? Yes, but he was Born in Croatia And that matters in this conversation why - so you can elaborate on your fixation with Tesla? Textbook appeal to authority. Edited March 10, 2014 by jerryR34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Share Posted March 10, 2014 "We have to learn again that science without contact with experiments is an enterprise which is likely to go completely astray into imaginary conjecture" Hannes Alfven PhD, Noble Prize Physics 1970 Contact with experiments...that is the problem I have with trying to in inject any gods into science. Can you name any science experiment that has contact with God? We can do science while leaving God out of the experiment. I'm pretty sure he won't mind. Can you, Enoch, do a science experiment using the scientific method of observation of nature that proves the God of the Bible to someone who does not know the Bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted March 10, 2014 And that matters in this conversation why? ========================================================================= Good Point LOL It probably goes back to this statement earlier in the thread, by me.... "Nikola Tesla a home boy, my GrandMother was born in Croatia. Hail to the Motherland!! LOL" Which in Turn led to this statement or question by Old School.... "And wasn't Tesla of Serbian descent?" Which then subsequently led to this answer, by me... "Yes, but he was Born in Croatia" Good? We sometimes travel down the "TRUTH" roads of Irrelevant Minutia ...it's part of our Charm. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Share Posted March 10, 2014 haha - can't fault you for sentiment...I understand that fully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted March 10, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Share Posted March 10, 2014 "We have to learn again that science without contact with experiments is an enterprise which is likely to go completely astray into imaginary conjecture" Hannes Alfven PhD, Noble Prize Physics 1970 Contact with experiments...that is the problem I have with trying to in inject any gods into science. Can you name any science experiment that has contact with God? We can do science while leaving God out of the experiment. I'm pretty sure he won't mind. Can you, Enoch, do a science experiment using the scientific method of observation of nature that proves the God of the Bible to someone who does not know the Bible? ============================================================================== Contact with experiments...that is the problem I have with trying to in inject any gods into science There is only "ONE" CREATOR. Two or More is Logical Absurdity...just by definition of "CREATOR". Can you name any science experiment that has contact with God? Not off the Top of my Head. Historical Science...that's a different story Can you, Enoch, do a science experiment using the scientific method of observation of nature that proves the God of the Bible to someone who does not know the Bible? No, Impossible. Can't get by Step 1: Observe a Phenomenon. The only way that can be done is for HIM to manifest HIMSELF, AGAIN. Unfortunately, the next time HE does that...HE'S gonna be a bit BUSY, IMHO. More importantly, There are other techniques employed to ascertain TRUTH besides the Scientific Method: Intellect (Logic, Deductive/Inductive Reasoning, Critical Thinking/Problem Solving, and good ole fashioned Common Sense). Combine these with Sound "Scientific Principles"....it's a pretty powerful combination. As I said in the past, two very simple Proofs for Empirical Minded Folks are: Prophecy and "Specific Complexity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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