Izzel Posted March 21, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 514 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 62 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/01/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1989 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Jeremiah 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 The words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah, of the priests that were in Anathoth in the land of Benjamin: 2 To whom the word of the Lord came in the days of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, in the thirteenth year of his reign. 3 It came also in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the end of the eleventh year of Zedekiah the son of Josiah king of Judah, unto the carrying away of Jerusalem captive in the fifth month. 4 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Has our destiny been carved out already ? Do we carve our own destiny ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I have come to beleive over the years, that salvation is predestined, that is to say that God chooses us, before the foundation of the world. We do not choose Him unless He does a work in us first. I do not know that I would extend that to every detail of our lives, but certainly some details in some lives, He also orchestrates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted March 21, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 593 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 55,875 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 27,626 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2014 if there is not free choice then God becomes a puppet master and we are simply puppet. Then one would have to ask,"what's the point?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bible_Gazer Posted March 21, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 450 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 152 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/05/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2014 I think Jeremiah had a choice.His job was predestinated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted March 21, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.26 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2014 We also have Romans 8:28-30 that speaks to predestination. And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. The steps, or explanations is: foreknew predestined conformed called justified glorified It is interesting to see Paul point out that God first foreknew before He predestined. I do not believe God just picked and chose people, I believe He looked down through time to see who would choose His salvation; therefore, He foreknew before He predestined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzel Posted March 21, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 514 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 62 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/01/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1989 Author Share Posted March 21, 2014 We also have Romans 8:28-30 that speaks to predestination. And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. The steps, or explanations is: foreknew predestined conformed called justified glorified It is interesting to see Paul point out that God first foreknew before He predestined. I do not believe God just picked and chose people, I believe He looked down through time to see who would choose His salvation; therefore, He foreknew before He predestined. What are your thoughts on Pharoh and Essau ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted March 21, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.26 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21, 2014 We also have Romans 8:28-30 that speaks to predestination. And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. The steps, or explanations is: foreknew predestined conformed called justified glorified It is interesting to see Paul point out that God first foreknew before He predestined. I do not believe God just picked and chose people, I believe He looked down through time to see who would choose His salvation; therefore, He foreknew before He predestined. What are your thoughts on Pharoh and Essau ? Can you be more specific? I can say they both made their choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Predestination in the Bible has NOTHING to do with who is or is not saved. Predestination in every use of the word pertains to what God has predestined the beleiver to become. It is not about predestinating who will become a believer. Predestination in the Bible is connected to service, not salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRS81 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Predestination in the Bible has NOTHING to do with who is or is not saved. Predestination in every use of the word pertains to what God has predestined the beleiver to become. It is not about predestinating who will become a believer. Predestination in the Bible is connected to service, not salvation. I agree. The Bible says we are predestined 1. To be conformed to the image of Christ (Rom. 8:29) 2. For adoption (Eph. 1:5) 3. To be to the praise of His glory (Eph. 1:11-12) Predestined/Elect/Chosen are speaking about AFTER salvation, not prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcgyver Posted March 22, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 321 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/28/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1957 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Interesting subject... Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved. (Ephesians 1:3-6) How do you read this? Just curious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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