Which Resurrection?

[rollinTHUNDER]

I forgot to mention that the Old Testament saints are also in Christ. They were looking forward to the promises, while today, for almost 2000 years we New Testament saints are looking back at the cross, when the promise was fulfilled. For 2000 years the Old Testament saints sacrificed a lamb every year to forgive their sins. The lambs were a symbol for Christ, who died as the Lamb of God, once, for (ALL), including both Old and New Testament saints.

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Christ led all the old testament saints home at his resurrection.

Scripture does not say that. Are you referring to Matt. 27:51-53? I don't see where ALL old testament saints were led home at the resurrection of Christ. What do you mean by home?

Many bodies of the saints were raised after the resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many. I'd be careful not to read too much into that. Are you suggesting that they also ascended to heaven with Jesus as well? Do you think they have already received an eternal glorified body? I don't think so. Scripture really doesn't give us a whole lot to go on, so I wouldn't assume such things. Lazarus was raised to life again as well, and he more than likely died again as well. I have found some scripture that may relate to why some were raised to life again after Christ' resurrection, to obtain a better resurrection.

Hebrews 11:32-40

And what more shall I say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also of David and Samuel and the prophets: 33 who through faith subdued kingdoms, worked righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, became valiant in battle, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. 35 Women received their dead raised to life again. Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection. 36 Still others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yes, and of chains and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, were tempted,[f] were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented— 38 of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth. 39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, 40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.

 

 

But again, there is not enough information to draw a solid conclusion.  Who knows, maybe these are the elders that lived before the Mosaic law?  We will never know some things until we get there.

 

The next resurrection will happen at the second coming of Christ (called the first resurrection) then after the 1000 year reign, the second resurrection happens prior to the final judgment. That's what the Bible says, it's simple if people don't try to add a resurrection for the pre-trib rapture.

The next resurrection will happen right before the rapture, not at the physical second coming.  For those who are ready will be attending the wedding supper, so the second coming can not be immediately after the rapture.

[Montana Marv]

Not to butt in Marv, but how does Zech 13:8,9 point to the 1/3 as reigning with Christ in the millennium?

They don't, For they are some who will be ruled over by Christ and us.  As will peoples from all nations.  Who does Christ rule over with a rod of iron?  Are some of these going to be part of the First Resurrection after the Mill. or do they all become part of the Second Resurrection.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[missmuffet]

 

Not to butt in Marv, but how does Zech 13:8,9 point to the 1/3 as reigning with Christ in the millennium?

They don't, For they are some who will be ruled over by Christ and us.  As will peoples from all nations.  Who does Christ rule over with a rod of iron?  Are some of these going to be part of the First Resurrection after the Mill. or do they all become part of the Second Resurrection.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

The raptured Saints will rule with Christ during the Millennium.

[rollinTHUNDER]

Not to butt in Marv, but how does Zech 13:8,9 point to the 1/3 as reigning with Christ in the millennium?

They don't, For they are some who will be ruled over by Christ and us.  As will peoples from all nations.  Who does Christ rule over with a rod of iron?  Are some of these going to be part of the First Resurrection after the Mill. or do they all become part of the Second Resurrection.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

The raptured Saints will rule with Christ during the Millennium.

So will the resurrected ones.

[Bible_Gazer]

Just for thoughts

There is another type of resurrection.

(The Nation of Israel restored to God.)

Read Ezekiel 37 about Israel being restored back into their homeland.

to me they are just dry bones and the nation has not excepted Jesus yet.

Daniel 12:1-3 may be talking about this.

they are going to find more trouble is coming for them until they turn to Jesus.

[missmuffet]

 

 

 

Not to butt in Marv, but how does Zech 13:8,9 point to the 1/3 as reigning with Christ in the millennium?

They don't, For they are some who will be ruled over by Christ and us.  As will peoples from all nations.  Who does Christ rule over with a rod of iron?  Are some of these going to be part of the First Resurrection after the Mill. or do they all become part of the Second Resurrection.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

The raptured Saints will rule with Christ during the Millennium.

 

So will the resurrected ones.

 

Who will get their resurrected bodies at the time of the rapture besides those who are raptured?I have heard that the Old Testament Saints will not get their resurrected bodies until after the Millennium.

[rollinTHUNDER]

Not to butt in Marv, but how does Zech 13:8,9 point to the 1/3 as reigning with Christ in the millennium?

They don't, For they are some who will be ruled over by Christ and us.  As will peoples from all nations.  Who does Christ rule over with a rod of iron?  Are some of these going to be part of the First Resurrection after the Mill. or do they all become part of the Second Resurrection.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

The raptured Saints will rule with Christ during the Millennium.

So will the resurrected ones.

I have heard that the Old Testament Saints will not get their resurrected bodies until after the Millennium.

Be careful who you listen to. Scripture does not say that. Don't forget that we New Testament gentile believers are grafted into the same olive tree (Israel). Not all of them are guilty of unbelief, they are saints too, and Abraham is the father of all nations. Furthermore, I can not think of a single New Testament believer that had more faith than Abraham. The Old Testament had the book of the living, but New Testament has the book of life. I happen to believe they are probably the same book with the names of all the righteous.

Hebrews 11:2-31

2 This is what the ancients were commended for.

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.

5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God.

6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise.

10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.

11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth.

14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own.

15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

17 By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son,

18 even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”

19 Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.

20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.

21 By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff.

22 By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions concerning the burial of his bones.

23 By faith Moses’ parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict.

24 By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter.

25 He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin.

26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward.

27 By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible.

28 By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.

29 By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned.

30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days.

31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.

Cheers

[missmuffet]

I am very very careful who I listen to on this messageboard especially.I have a sharpened discernment.

[rollinTHUNDER]

Some here believe the Old Testament saints will not reign in the millennium. But it sure looks like David will be a king again to me.

 

Ezekiel 37:23-25

They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.  24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever.

 

And we know from scripture that Daniel will be raised up to receive his inheritance in the kingdom as well.

 

Daniel 12:9-13

And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

13 “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”

 

Cheers

[missmuffet]

I think I read that everyone will be resurrected at the rapture.