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Why would God have ordained stoning and burning people as a punishment

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After Adam every human dies once anyway. A natural death has not much advantage over an unnatural one. Moreover, God's priority is to save souls. Unlike humans who count bodies, God counts souls. He counts overall how many souls will be saved along the timeline of humanity.

 

 

If this is true then wouldn't killing all babies be the natural way to ensure the most souls are saved?   

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If this is true then wouldn't killing all babies be the natural way to ensure the most souls are saved?  

 

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But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. 2 Samuel 12:23

 

Think That Could Be a Godless (Atheist) Way Of Thinking

 

Deliver me, O my God, out of the hand of the wicked, out of the hand of the unrighteous and cruel man. Psalms 71:4

 

Mengele routinely conducted experiments on humans, the most famous of which were conducted on twins selected on the unloading platforms of Auschwitz. At the end of the experiments, Mengele simply injected chloroform directly into the hearts of many of these twins. After the war, Josef Mengele practiced medicine in Buenos Aires in the 1950's. He "had a reputation as a specialist in abortions," which were illegal at the time. Mengele was arrested after he killed a girl in his abortion clinic, but an Argentine judge released him. Mengele was never extradited and presumably died in Chile in 1979.

 

But Mengele wasn't the only one. Vilis Kruze was a former SS officer who after the war worked as an abortionist for Kaiser Permenente in Ohio and Hawaii. It seems you can take the doctor out of the killing camp, but you can't take the killing camp out of the doctor. http://www.ldi.org/deathcamps/Holocaust1.cfm#TheTop

 

That Underpins The Current American

 

Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter, That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them? Ezekiel 16:20-21

 

"Several years ago, when 17,000 aborted babies were found in a dumpster outside a pathology laboratory in Los, Angeles, California, some 12-15,000 were observed to be black." --Erma Clardy Craven (deceased) Social Worker and Civil Rights Leader http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

 

Holocaust

 

Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter. If you say, “But we knew nothing about this,” does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who guards your life know it? Will he not repay everyone according to what they have done? Proverbs 24:11-12 (NIV)

 

Any person born after January 22, 1973 is a survivor of the American abortion holocaust.  On this date, the Roe vs. Wade decision legalized abortion on demand throughout all 50 states.  Since this infamous decision, over 56 million children have been killed all in the name of “choice”.  If you were born after the legalization of abortion in the U.S., we challenge you to consider yourself a survivor of the abortion holocaust.  One third of your generation has been killed by abortion. http://www.survivors.la/who-are-the-survivors/

 

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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

 

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A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. Ezekiel 36:26

 

Be Very Blessed

 

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Psalms 103:12

 

Love, Joe

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After Adam every human dies once anyway. A natural death has not much advantage over an unnatural one. Moreover, God's priority is to save souls. Unlike humans who count bodies, God counts souls. He counts overall how many souls will be saved along the timeline of humanity.

 

 

If this is true then wouldn't killing all babies be the natural way to ensure the most souls are saved?   

 

 

Hi Bonky. When I was an unbeliever, I used to think this was a good point to use against pro-lifers who believed in Christianity. However, I now realize a major weakness in this argument which Fresno Joe touches upon later, but never directly explains that I can tell. I do NOT believe those who die in infancy will end up in hell, either, as some would claim (a nightmare scenario in which some Christians would use as a defense against your argument). 

 

Sinful people would have to kill those infants for them to end up in heaven as babies. By saving one set of people, you could be simultaneously damning another set of people, so that purpose would be defeated. God does NOT want people to kill innocent babies and that is esteemed a sin worthy of death in His eyesight.

 

I do not believe a born again Christian would do this, only those who are unsaved. By advocating people to sin, especially in an extreme way like this, they could be hardened in general and less likely to receive the gospel later on after their sin, and they could be more likely to go to hell themselves, in place of those infants who could have lived to adulthood. Also, I believe everyone has a genuine chance to be saved, due to the general revelation of something greater than all this given by God from conception to all men, as per John 1. If men truly want the truth, I strongly believe they will find it and God will give it to them. I believe those who never heard the gospel would have rejected the truth anyway as they never really wanted it.

 

If the infants survived to adulthood, it would still be their responsibility to find the truth and accept it. It would NOT be God's or someone else's fault for them going to hell simply because they were never killed as babies. Again, why should one set be damned for another set? Think about it.

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God has a purpose for every human life.  If he was just wanting to create souls to be with him in heaven, he could just create us in heaven and skip the whole earthly existence.  It's not up to us to determine how and when a person should die.  More to the point, though, we're not allowed by God to murder.

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If the infants survived to adulthood, it would still be their responsibility to find the truth and accept it. It would NOT be God's or someone else's fault for them going to hell simply because they were never killed as babies. Again, why should one set be damned for another set? Think about it.

Except that many Christians hint that it is God that actually reaches out to the future Christian and gives them the gift of faith. So putting all the blame on the human doesn't seem fair to me. I know it makes people feel better about non believers ending up in hell, but I reject that line of thought.  Then there are the Calvinists, who have such a loving version of God that hand picks his elect.   

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Blessings Bonky,,,,

    I doubt that any Christian "feels better" about a non-believers fate,it is just something we have to accept because they have made their choice,,,,,,,,,,,,,

     I really don't understand your question,,,,,,,,,,or the point of it?It sounds like something a vigilante madman would think of,,,,,,," kill the innocents before they are defiled",,,,,,,,there is no justification for murder,no matter the murderers motive,,,,,,,,

     Maybe I have missed what you are talking about,I certainly am not saying that YOU are insane,I think you know that as we have always had good discussions and you have always been nice to talk with,,,,,,,,,,good to see you again,God Bless you & to God be the Glory!                                                                                  With love-in Christ,Kwik

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If the infants survived to adulthood, it would still be their responsibility to find the truth and accept it. It would NOT be God's or someone else's fault for them going to hell simply because they were never killed as babies. Again, why should one set be damned for another set? Think about it.

Except that many Christians hint that it is God that actually reaches out to the future Christian and gives them the gift of faith. So putting all the blame on the human doesn't seem fair to me. I know it makes people feel better about non believers ending up in hell, but I reject that line of thought.  Then there are the Calvinists, who have such a loving version of God that hand picks his elect.   

 

the earth and everything in it is to be destroyed by fire according to scripture........    you don't have to be here when that happens, it's up to you. 

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I agree with Lek.

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Where is the "stoning and burning" in the discussion?  Seems like it has just become another abortion debate.  This forum has plenty of those already.

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Stoning and burning were not "ordained", but were certainly the penalty for certain sins.  Sins always result in a penalty, and the ultimate penalty is Hell (which is far worse than stoning or burning).  At the same time, God does not desire that anyone should suffer this penalty, therefore He has made full provision for sin and sinners in the Lord Jesus Christ.

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