Guest Jesse Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Does anyone here believe that the resurrection can happen before the 7th trumpet? What does the last trump mean to you? jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hindsfeet Posted August 17, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 201 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/16/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2014 The Resurrection or the Rapture ? two distinct things, confused by, many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 The Resurrection or the Rapture ? two distinct things, confused by, many. I never heard of that before.That is something new. Can you show me the word rapture in scripture? Is the resurrected not the changing: and then taken up? Only the first fruits will be taken up first,before the trib. (the 144000). The majority(wheat) will be stored. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hindsfeet Posted August 17, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 201 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/16/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2014 You can google 'Rapture Harpazo' - this is the greek term - there are many resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Hindsfeet. You are only asking todays scribes for answers. There is no rapture in scripture. All true christians will be resurrected or changed in a wink of an eye at the coming. The 144000 will be first,because they are the first fruits. See rev. 14:1. We only see 144000 with the lamb; not the majority. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted August 17, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2014 A lot of elders have died over the past 2000 years...... to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. The Bible doesn't say the elders have been raptured to heaven, it was Marv that said that !!!!!!! with Jesse backing him up. That's the problem with the pre-trib doctrine, it's all just the opinions of men, not the word of God. Exactly. Just because John was shown a vision of those elders in Heaven before Jesus and the throne, with crowns (Rev.5), does not mean that happens in chronological order of how John was given visions of Christ's Revelation. The fallacy is how some Church systems of men think the events in Revelation are laid out in exact chronological order, when they are not. Salty So what you are saying that these 24 Elders with crowns (rewards) and siting on thrones are not of the Church. First you must provide Scripture that states others receive crowns, I only see the Body of Christ as receiving crowns (rewards). And this can only happen when the Body as One has been united together with Christ. These Seals, Trumpets and Bowl Judgments are all in sequential order. They do not begin until God gives the scroll to the Lamb/Christ. We as the Bride are already in the Fathers House per John 14, We as the description of the five wise virgins have been Raptured, the five foolish virgins have been left behind with the rest of mankind. Yes we are the ones being gathered from One end of Heaven to the other. This is a gathering for us to view the Second Coming. We are not being gathered from the earth (four winds). The Post trib theory is just that man made, with no Scriptural Support. If it does not fit Spiritualize it. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hindsfeet Posted August 17, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 201 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/16/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2014 Hindsfeet. You are only asking todays scribes for answers. There is no rapture in scripture. All true christians will be resurrected or changed in a wink of an eye at the coming. The 144000 will be first,because they are the first fruits. See rev. 14:1. We only see 144000 with the lamb; not the majority. jesse. Jesse, Obviously you did not do any of the research. We should not get too comfy,and assume we are righteous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Hindsfeet. You are only asking todays scribes for answers. There is no rapture in scripture. All true christians will be resurrected or changed in a wink of an eye at the coming. The 144000 will be first,because they are the first fruits. See rev. 14:1. We only see 144000 with the lamb; not the majority. jesse. Jesse, Obviously you did not do any of the research. We should not get too comfy,and assume we are righteous. Hindsfeet. Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:Isaiah 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. No need for calling upon scribes for help;let the HS be your teacher.He; we can trust. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted August 17, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,665 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 512 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/11/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2014 Christ is coming with His saints. Who are these saints? They of course are the first fruits. see rev.14:1 The rest of the harvest will be harvested in rev.14:14--20. First the harvest of the wheat, then stored first, untill the kingdom on earth is set up. Next the harvest of the ripe grapes,and put through the wine press.(armageddon). Blood will be flowing to a horse gridle. All that will happen after the tribulation; after the test, after the purifying. After the saints have been given white robes,rev.7:9--14. jesse. I only read about ONE time of harvest by the angels when our Lord Jesus comes, not two or three, etc. Per the parable of the tares of the field, Jesus showed the "tares" are gathered first and cast into the fire... Matt.13 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Our Lord Jesus did not give the whole detail in that, for He did not mention His thousand years reign within that parable. We have to rely on other Scripture to get a clearer picture of when those tares are destroyed. But for the sake of the parable flow about an actual real harvest, the tares are always separated from the wheat first before the wheat is stored in the barn. That's simple agriculture. Per Rev.16, the battle of Armageddon is on the last day of this present world on the 7th Vial, prior to His thousand year reign. Shouldn't confuse the final destruction of Satan when he is loosed after the future thousand years with Armageddon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted August 17, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,665 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 512 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/11/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 17, 2014 Hindsfeet. You are only asking todays scribes for answers. There is no rapture in scripture. All true christians will be resurrected or changed in a wink of an eye at the coming. The 144000 will be first,because they are the first fruits. See rev. 14:1. We only see 144000 with the lamb; not the majority. jesse. Well that's not exactly true. Continue reading into the Rev.15 chapter about those who overcame the beast, his image and mark, singing the Song of Moses. They are gathered the same time, which is why the "great multitude" representing Gentile believers are mentioned in that same Rev.7 chapter as the 144,000 out of the tribes of Israel. There is only one time of resurrection at Christ's coming, and it is for both the just and the unjust (John 5:28-29). It is the same time of the raising of the dead per 1 Cor.15 on the "last trump", and same timing of the "caught up" event of 1 Thess.4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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