Taker Posted April 2, 2014 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 113 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/24/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/30/1994 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Very simple, man invented the plug. Man invented medicines for diabetes too. Would you advocate stopping those and seeing if God keeps you alive? Such violence in tone, all I can say is that for me I hate the concept of "life support". I don't need machines to delay my ascent to heaven. There is no violence in my tone. I merely asked a question based on the logic you used in your previous statement. You are correct, sometimes I overreact. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted April 2, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2014 Would any of you also say its ok to withhold food for someone who is in a coma but able to breathe on their own? That would depend on a very large number of things...... My mother forbid me from giving her a feeding tube while she still had a rational mind knowing she had Alzheimer and would sooner or later not be able to swallow...... I sat by her side holding her hand the last three days she lived as she slowly starved to death. To say the least it was not easy to do.... Yea I know. When my father in law, who had some form of senility, had a stroke in the lower portion of his brain we faced this too. The bleeding continued and could not be stopped. The stroke was in the base portion of the brain where it controls the basic life functions. The docs told us he would not recover and it was just a question of when he would die. A day, a week, a month. My hubby and his sisters (and I too with my hubby) sat with him. Although he was not fed, he did not starve to death. He died a few days after his stroke. He breathed until the end, but his organs gradually shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 2, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,043 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,788 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2014 There has recently been a bunch of articles that have come out that show society is headed towards euthanasia of the "useless" in society. Whether its voluntary or not remains to be seen. Two articles came out this week alone. One showed that the population cannot be sustained. In keeping with the georgia stones that advocate a population no greater than half a million, this study funded by our govt recommended that population be reduced. The other recommended a change in guidelines for blood pressure medication in folks over 60. Apparently it is ok in their eyes to let folks over 60 have a higher blood pressure. Medically that is quite bad. I fully expect the govt to one day make a medical decision for me, despite my better understanding of my medical needs than they have, that I am no longer worth keeping alive. Not through heroic means, but in just not being worth the cost of basic medicine. Our government has been involved in lowering the population of the world for a very long time..... Henry Kissinger made things happen through the UN when he was the head of the State Department, and it was going on before world war II with the eugenics movement in the 20's. Carnegie Institution, Rockefeller Foundation, and the Harriman railroad and banking funded much of the movement, and it was said that Hitler had read the writings of these people and Margret Sanger and several others, and was shocked that we put up such a fuss about killing a few Jews. Looks like it is about to raise it's ugly head again.... You know that old saying that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it....... well I have noticed that those of us who do are cursed to have to watch it happen anyway..... I'm really getting tired of much of it..... so I should quit for tonight before I get tacky..... I wouldn't want my tacky to accidentally rub off on any of us, especially you as I quoted your post... BTW doing away with folks over 60 is a really good way of fixing the problem with social security and medicare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted April 2, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2014 Would any of you also say its ok to withhold food for someone who is in a coma but able to breathe on their own?The key is not able to breath on their own, isn't it? The food really doesn't matter in a case like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 2, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2014 My brother had Hodkins with some very aggressive tumors in his chest.He was on very large doses of methaltrexate for 7 years.He was very young,40 years old.He had a wife and two teenage sons.He wanted to stop taking the chemo.He was a Chrisitan and was done with the suffering.His family begged him to continue which is what he did for their sake.He died at 40 years old because rather he took the chemo or not the Lord wanted him home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 2, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2014 Would any of you also say its ok to withhold food for someone who is in a coma but able to breathe on their own? The key is not able to breath on their own, isn't it? The food really doesn't matter in a case like this. Well,if a person is laying in a vegetative state and breathing on their own they are probably not able to recognize the family.They could stay that way for years in a nursing home.The food is keeping them alive in that condition.That is a personal choice with the family unless the patient has stated otherwise in an advance directive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted April 2, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2014 BTW doing away with folks over 60 is a really good way of fixing the problem with social security and medicare. Yea I know. Ive said that the holocaust is a foreshadow of what the trib will look like. And it started with things like this too. Hitler had a solution and killed off the undesirables (handicapped, mentally ill/retarded and the Jews). Old "useless" folks and believers will be next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted April 2, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2014 This is a very touchy subject for many, so let's take into consideration how others may have had to live through such incidents and not push others. We all have our beliefs and there is no one correct answer to all medical situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 2, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,043 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,788 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2014 BTW doing away with folks over 60 is a really good way of fixing the problem with social security and medicare. Yea I know. Ive said that the holocaust is a foreshadow of what the trib will look like. And it started with things like this too. Hitler had a solution and killed off the undesirables (handicapped, mentally ill/retarded and the Jews). Old "useless" folks and believers will be next. Being a 67 year old retired Believer puts me in a rather perilous position... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 2, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,043 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,788 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2014 This is a very touchy subject for many, so let's take into consideration how others may have had to live through such incidents and not push others. We all have our beliefs and there is no one correct answer to all medical situations. I'm not really sure there's a correct answer to any of them. From my long years it seems to be what we decide we can live with.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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