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SYRACUSE, N.Y. – A city board on Thursday gave a Muslim group the go-ahead to remove six crosses from the roof and spires of a century-old former Catholic church so the now-vacant Gothic structure can be used as a mosque.

More than 200 people had signed an online petition calling on the Syracuse Landmark Preservation Board to deny an application by North Side Learning Center, the church's new owner, to remove the crosses and build a six-foot chain-link fence.

Before the vote to allow the church alterations, Chairman Don Radke said the board cannot interfere with a decision that involves religious freedom ...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/03/islamic-group-gets-go-ahead-to-cut-crosses-off-ny-church/

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They want to remove the crosses because they loathe them. The cross signifies the greatest moment in history when Jesus died for all our sins. The cross signifies salvation - something that is impossible to achieve through Islam and its false portrayal of Jesus.

Satan is having his way again, by taking a house of God and getting his pawns to vandalise it.

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Well, Capitalism's having it's way. The Catholics didn't want the building so they sold it to someone who did. The synagogue  in my hometown (Hounslow) was in an unwanted ex-free church and has also had it's cross removed. Apparently it's now a Montessori nursery. 

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Well, Capitalism's having it's way. The Catholics didn't want the building so they sold it to someone who did. The synagogue  in my hometown (Hounslow) was in an unwanted ex-free church and has also had it's cross removed. Apparently it's now a Montessori nursery. 

The difference is that the Jews don't revere Jesus. We know that. Therefore the cross means nothing to them. Muslims on the other hand recognise Jesus, but have falsified who he really is. They deny that he ever died on the cross, but the cross symbolises what Jesus stands for and why he came in the flesh.

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I'm a Quaker, you won' find crosses on our meeting houses because we reject the use of all symbols. There are plenty of other Christian groups that would see heir use as idolatrous.

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I'm a Quaker, you won' find crosses on our meeting houses because we reject the use of all symbols. There are plenty of other Christian groups that would see heir use as idolatrous.

 

I can see why the cross may be seen as being idolatrous, but it is not meant to be worshipped. It is an indicator of who you are, and in a way is no different to writing the word 'Christian church' on a church, the difference being is that it transcends all languages. It is not an icon but an avatar (for want of a better term), but because of its historical significance it has become a symbol that is loathed by all those who despise the Lord. I can see why some Christians refuse to use it and that is fine by me, but to other Christians it is a bold statement of one's faith in Christ.

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A little more information on the above and related issues is below

Friends Statements on the Pledge of Allegiance

"Friends refrain from taking oaths, even in courts of law. We avoid the use of symbols such as crucifixes and altars in our places of worship. Our religious practices do not include the outward administration of sacraments, which we also see as symbols and unnecessary in our relationship with God. And we hold that we may rightly pledge allegiance only to God, not to a man-made symbol representing a human institution."

[statement to the Pennsylvania State Senate by the Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) to explain our stand against use of the American Flag and the Pledge of Allegiance.]

"Quakers from their inception have been skeptical of emblems of power, such as flags or crosses or other icons symbolizing institutional or, on a greater scale, imperial presumptions of loyalty. Such icons inhibit discourse and "finding the way" through a collective openness to truth no single individual - or no single power - can embrace. It is also the Quaker's reluctance to require the repeating of public oaths or pledges of loyalty - indeed to repeat public prayers such as the Lord's Prayer or the Apostles' Creed as many religious schools do - because of the fear that the power of the institution supersedes the individual's right to question the validity of the statement, or to question and explore a wider range of loyalties and commitments than the symbol to which one pledges might encompass."

Richard Eldrige, Principal, Friends Seminary

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Well pardon me, but I do think I'd be more offended if they left the crosses on the building if they are using it for a mosque. 

 

I am a bit disappointed in the Catholic's selling the building to Islam though.....   there is a lot involved in that,.  I wonder if they will take the flag down also.

 

 

I think this would be the disturbing part of this to me:

 

A report by the nonprofit Onondaga Citizens League last summer said more than 7,200 refugees have resettled in the Syracuse area over the past 10 years, with the majority from Burma, Bhutan and Somalia.

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Well pardon me, but I do think I'd be more offended if they left the crosses on the building if they are using it for a mosque. 

 

I am a bit disappointed in the Catholic's selling the building to Islam though.....   there is a lot involved in that,.  I wonder if they will take the flag down also.

 

 

My feelings exactly. 

 

If they turned it into a car wash and left the crosses up, or a fast food joint and took them down?

 

It matters little. 

 

I do not serve a God of empty buildings...

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Well pardon me, but I do think I'd be more offended if they left the crosses on the building if they are using it for a mosque. 

 

I am a bit disappointed in the Catholic's selling the building to Islam though.....   there is a lot involved in that,.  I wonder if they will take the flag down also.

 

 

My feelings exactly. 

 

If they turned it into a car wash and left the crosses up, or a fast food joint and took them down?

 

It matters little. 

 

I do not serve a God of empty buildings...

 

 

I agree. 

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