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It's obvious you have some sort of insight into this. Please elaborate. 

How is Luke counted as one of the orginal 12 disciples of Christ?

 

 

 

He's not, I was in error.  I stand corrected.   :thumbsup:

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:thumbsup:

 

 

It's obvious you have some sort of insight into this. Please elaborate. 

How is Luke counted as one of the orginal 12 disciples of Christ?

 

 

 

He's not, I was in error.  I stand corrected.   :thumbsup:

 

 

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As per Rev 14:6,7 - Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth; to every nation, tribe, language and people.  He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come.  Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."

 

v 9 - A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice; "If anyone worships the beast, and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he too will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath", v 12 - This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

 

And then Rev 9:20 - The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands, they did not stop worshiping demons and idols..........

 

So where do you Post Tribbers fit in to all this.  For this is all happening near the onset of the 70th Week, except for Rev 9:20. The Church spreading the gospel is now dispelled by an angel spreading the gospel.

 

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Montana Marv

 

We all... are still on earth at that point (excepting the asleep saints)... going through the "great tribulation" our Lord Jesus foretold of in Matthew 24.

 

But not all believers on Christ Jesus will remain faithful in waiting for Christ Jesus' return, for some brethren will fall away to wrongly worship the coming Antichrist/false messiah that is to be setup as king in Jerusalem just prior... to Jesus' second coming.

 

The deceived among Christianity, orthodox Jews, and Gentiles will think that coming Antichrist truly is Messiah having come to save us. That will be the time when "they" shall say, "Peace and safety" per Apostle Paul's warnings in 1 Thess.5. Then a short time after a sudden destruction will come upon this whole earth with the Day of The LORD events signifying the time of Jesus' return.

 

What will those in Christ Jesus be doing who know His time of coming and gathering of His Church is after that great tribulation? Those of us who 'know' the proper order of events per God's Word will be giving a Testimony for Christ Jesus against Satan and his hosts earth in that future time. Some of us will be delivered up to councils and synagogues to give that Testimony against them, that prior to Christ's coming and gathering of His Church on earth.

 

Jesus said to not fear those who kill our flesh body and there's nothing more they can do, but fear Him Who can destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire. We are not to fear Christ's enemies, period. Those who fear will seek to fly away, when they will not, for Jesus only returns one time to end the tribulation and gather His Church. Where will those in fear flee to?

 

Matt 24:28

28    For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

(KJV)

 

 

Wherever the dead are, that's where the vultures will be gathered together, supping on the bodies of the deceived.

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As per Rev 14:6,7 - Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth; to every nation, tribe, language and people.  He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come.  Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."

 

v 9 - A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice; "If anyone worships the beast, and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he too will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath", v 12 - This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

 

And then Rev 9:20 - The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands, they did not stop worshiping demons and idols..........

 

So where do you Post Tribbers fit in to all this.  For this is all happening near the onset of the 70th Week, except for Rev 9:20. The Church spreading the gospel is now dispelled by an angel spreading the gospel.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

We all... are still on earth at that point (excepting the asleep saints)... going through the "great tribulation" our Lord Jesus foretold of in Matthew 24.

 

But not all believers on Christ Jesus will remain faithful in waiting for Christ Jesus' return, for some brethren will fall away to wrongly worship the coming Antichrist/false messiah that is to be setup as king in Jerusalem just prior... to Jesus' second coming.

 

The deceived among Christianity, orthodox Jews, and Gentiles will think that coming Antichrist truly is Messiah having come to save us. That will be the time when "they" shall say, "Peace and safety" per Apostle Paul's warnings in 1 Thess.5. Then a short time after a sudden destruction will come upon this whole earth with the Day of The LORD events signifying the time of Jesus' return.

 

What will those in Christ Jesus be doing who know His time of coming and gathering of His Church is after that great tribulation? Those of us who 'know' the proper order of events per God's Word will be giving a Testimony for Christ Jesus against Satan and his hosts earth in that future time. Some of us will be delivered up to councils and synagogues to give that Testimony against them, that prior to Christ's coming and gathering of His Church on earth.

 

Jesus said to not fear those who kill our flesh body and there's nothing more they can do, but fear Him Who can destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire. We are not to fear Christ's enemies, period. Those who fear will seek to fly away, when they will not, for Jesus only returns one time to end the tribulation and gather His Church. Where will those in fear flee to?

 

Matt 24:28

28    For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

(KJV)

 

 

Wherever the dead are, that's where the vultures will be gathered together, supping on the bodies of the deceived.

 

Salty

 

So will you be worshiping demons and idols as the rest of mankind.  1/3 of mankind are killed the the plagues, the rest (2/3's of mankind) who were not kill, continued to worship demons and idols.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

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Salty

 

 

So will you be worshiping demons and idols as the rest of mankind.  1/3 of mankind are killed the the plagues, the rest (2/3's of mankind) who were not kill, continued to worship demons and idols.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

 

Did you forget to read the qualifier in these verses of Rev.9?

Rev 9:20-21

20    And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

21    Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

(KJV)

 

Obviously per that there's more going on within Rev.9 than some simple division of a third and two thirds. Christ's elect who will remain faithful waiting for His return that occurs on the 7th trumpet are not among those who will be worshiping demons, etc. Sorry, but you've failed to rightly divide the things of that Rev.9 chapter, just as many brethren have.

 

Rev 9:3-6

3    And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4    And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5    And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6    And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

(KJV)

 

Those locusts, which is a metaphor for the locust army God declared in the Book of Joel as a certain "nation", will not be allowed to hurt any green thing? nor even the grass of the earth? That's a lot different picture God paints than images created by charlatans like Hal Lindsay.

 

Using your own common sense, if the locusts are told they can ONLY sting those who do not have the Seal of God in their foreheads, what does it mean for the existence of the men that DO... have God's Seal in their foreheads?

 

Note that Scripture also says the locusts are not allowed to "kill" those men, but only sting them for five months. Does that idea continue to the end of the chapter? Yes.

Rev 9:17-19

17    And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

18    By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

19    For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

(KJV)

 

Sorry, God doesn't do monsters. That locust army's "power is in their mouth" as written. That's not some military army with infantry, tanks, and airplanes like images charlatans like Hal Lindsay paints. Yet God compares that locust army to how a real... army operates, and how real locusts devour on the earth. But it's not about real locusts at all. This is why a deeper Bible study in the Book of Joel goes with this Rev.9 chapter.

 

So what comes out of one's mouth? WORDS. This is what makes those events non-physical death type events, for weren't we told earlier those locusts can't hurt any green thing nor even kill those men who aren't sealed with God's Seal, but only sting with their tails? If it's not really about killing of the flesh, then what part is it they kill by what comes out of their mouths? One's SOUL, using words that cause deception.

 

The events of the 5th, 6th, and 7th trumpets and Woes are in chronological order. Of course the locusts are loosed upon the earth on the 5th trumpet to begin taking power over the earth and over all nations, like the Book of Joel points to. But on the 6th trumpet another group is loosed upon the earth with the crossing of the river Euphrates used as a symbolic border of separation.

Rev 9:11-16

11    And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

12    One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

13    And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

14    Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

15    And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16    And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

(KJV)

 

That event timing of their being prepared "for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year" is a pointer to the start of the "great tribulation" timing our Lord Jesus taught in Matt.24. That is when the dragon of Revelation is cast down to this earth, with his angels (Rev.12:7 forward). It is the time when the Archangel Michael who withholdeth Satan in Heaven boots him down to this earth (compare 2 Thess.2:6-8 to Dan.10 and Dan.12:1).

 

Then at the start of Rev.11 we are shown a temple in Jerusalem, with the Gentiles treading the holy city for 42 months while others worship inside it. All that is still within the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period. It is when God's two witnesses show up in Jerusalem and prophesy against Satan and his host on earth for 1260 days, i.e., the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" (Dan.9).

 

You can make all this even easier, and look at what Jesus said within the 6th Vial timing of Rev.16, telling His servants on earth to be on watch and keep their garments, lest they walk naked and they appear in shame (when He comes), because He said there His coming will be "as a thief". Now that's within 6th Vial timing He said that, for His gathering of Satan's host and the kings of the earth to go do battle at Armageddon isn't until the next 7th Vial timing as written there.

 

But if those Scriptures are too difficult for some to understand, I suppose one can still believe they'll be raptured out before any of those events happen. Doesn't mean that's going to happen though, because The LORD already showed us this event order for the end and told us to be watching and keep our garments throughout it, waiting on His coming while not letting that locust army deceive us.

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