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Ranking in Heaven

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I have been a christian for 35 years. God has always been my strength and refuge. He is my closest friend and I know Him to be loving and kind.  However, I have always battled with the concept of heaven's 'ranking' as outlined in some scriptures in the bible and taught from the pulpit.  If we are all equal in the eyes of God, why are there different rewards and levels in heaven?  On earth, I have always abhorred the idea of man-made class systems.  They are unjust and unfair and have been the cause of much conflict and sadness. Why would God sort His loved ones into a hierarcical order?  Those who were 'excellent' christians sit beside Him while those who were 'struggling' christians are lucky to just exist in heaven somewhere far from the heavenly throne. This idea unsettles me spiritually and challenges my faith.  I have prayed many times about this but the question still remains.

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Welcome to Worthy jacqui.

I moved your thread here, since it is your first post. As a registered member, any post or thread in the Seekers Lounge would first need to meet the Servants (administrators) approval, as your needed.

To answer your question, we are all equal in Him, yet His rewards for what we do distinguishes the crowns we will receive at the Bema Seat Judgment. According to this, we will be given different responsibilities in Him. His ways can never be compared to our ways, for His ways are far above our ways. What we struggle with in this life will not be a struggle in the next. Remember, we see through a glass darkly, or in a mirror dimly, but when we are with Him, we will know as we are known.

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Welcome. This subject of "ranking" is a matter for searching the Bible. Those who turn many to righteousness shall shine as the stars forever (see end of Daniel). There are rewards offered to Christians called crowns (victor's wreaths) -- also judgment at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

But for all who trust Christ as SAvior: He Who spared not His own Son but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not also with Him freely give us all things! Sounds good enough for me.

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Welcome~!

 

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Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Colossians 2:8

 

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I have been a christian for 35 years.

 

God has always been my strength and refuge.

 

He is my closest friend and I know Him to be loving and kind. 

 

However, I have always battled with the concept of heaven's 'ranking' as outlined in some scriptures in the bible and taught from the pulpit. 

 

If we are all equal in the eyes of God, why are there different rewards and levels in heaven? 

 

On earth, I have always abhorred the idea of man-made class systems. 

 

They are unjust and unfair and have been the cause of much conflict and sadness.

 

Why would God sort His loved ones into a hierarcical order? 

 

Those who were 'excellent' christians sit beside Him while those who were 'struggling' christians are lucky to just exist in heaven somewhere far from the heavenly throne.

 

This idea unsettles me spiritually and challenges my faith.  I have prayed many times about this but the question still remains.

 

 

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For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. Isaiah 57:15

 

Reward

 

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. Revelation 3:12

 

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And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

 

And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

 

And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 22:3-5

 

Jesus

 

As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. Psalms 42:1

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It's not really about trying to rank people, it's about what people are prepared for. The whole point of existence is for us to learn how to be like God. We are commanded to be just like Jesus and the Father. Can we be like them just by merely doing nothing? Basically, can you get a job as a CPA if you didn't follow the rules in grade school, learn your math, then go to college and get the degree and then pass the test? Can you expect to just be handed a CPA job without going through the proper preparations. Of course not, you wouldn't be able to handle it. Likewise, can you expect to be like God and His Son, to enjoy the kind of life that saved beings enjoy and have the attributes that holy beings have without making the necessary preparations by following the rules and gaining those attributes? Some people will prepare themselves, through repenting, keeping the commandments, and being the best they can be, others will not, and still others will completely rebel. And remember, none of us are going to be perfect on our own, it takes the merits of Christ to make up for what we lack. But we do need to be trying. You mention "struggling" Christians as though there may be some who just have it so easy, as if none of us have issues to overcome. We all will struggle, we all will fight to overcome whatever our issues may be, and if we are faithful, Christ will make up for what we lack.

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It's not really about trying to rank people, it's about what people are prepared for. The whole point of existence is for us to learn how to be like God. We are commanded to be just like Jesus and the Father. Can we be like them just by merely doing nothing? Basically, can you get a job as a CPA if you didn't follow the rules in grade school, learn your math, then go to college and get the degree and then pass the test? Can you expect to just be handed a CPA job without going through the proper preparations. Of course not, you wouldn't be able to handle it. Likewise, can you expect to be like God and His Son, to enjoy the kind of life that saved beings enjoy and have the attributes that holy beings have without making the necessary preparations by following the rules and gaining those attributes? Some people will prepare themselves, through repenting, keeping the commandments, and being the best they can be, others will not, and still others will completely rebel. And remember, none of us are going to be perfect on our own, it takes the merits of Christ to make up for what we lack. But we do need to be trying. You mention "struggling" Christians as though there may be some who just have it so easy, as if none of us have issues to overcome. We all will struggle, we all will fight to overcome whatever our issues may be, and if we are faithful, Christ will make up for what we lack.

B - basic

I -  instruction

B - before

L - living

E - eternally 

 

take note of first word

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I have been a christian for 35 years. God has always been my strength and refuge. He is my closest friend and I know Him to be loving and kind.  However, I have always battled with the concept of heaven's 'ranking' as outlined in some scriptures in the bible and taught from the pulpit.  If we are all equal in the eyes of God, why are there different rewards and levels in heaven?  On earth, I have always abhorred the idea of man-made class systems.  They are unjust and unfair and have been the cause of much conflict and sadness. Why would God sort His loved ones into a hierarcical order?  Those who were 'excellent' christians sit beside Him while those who were 'struggling' christians are lucky to just exist in heaven somewhere far from the heavenly throne. This idea unsettles me spiritually and challenges my faith.  I have prayed many times about this but the question still remains.

Welcome to Worthy jacqui.It is nice to have you with us.God's Blessings to you  :mgcheerful:

2 Corinthians 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.   This may make someone think that there are three different levels in heaven.That is not Biblical.

Paul was saying that God took him to the Celestial heavens.This is the realm where God dwells.

Revelation 22:12  “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.    This speaks of the different rewards in heaven.These will be given to us at the "judgment seat of Christ" or the "Bema Seat" judgment.This judgment will occur at the rapture.Some will gain rewards and some will not.This is determined by what we have done while in our bodies on earth. God knows everyone's heart.

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Welcome to Worthy!! What my rank will be or that of others is of no consequence to me. I will do my best and leave the rest to God - as long as I am in His presence what matter where I am amongst others.

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Welcome!

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