What did Christ sacrifice if he is with God in Heaven?

Defending the Name · September 13, 2014

For man to have eternal life, it required an eternal sacrifice. Jesus Christ's blood that he himself brought before the Father within the veil of Heaven in which he sprinkled upon the mercy seat of God will never dry up, and it always speak better things than that of abel. This man "Jesus Christ" after he had made one sacrifice for sins FOREVER sat down on the right hand of God. (Heb 10:12) Jesus was crucified through the eternal Spirit. So, even though he was crucified once, that sacrifice is eternal. Jesus will always have the nail prints in his hands, feet, and side as a reminder of his love toward us for ever!!!
Isa 49:15 "Can a woman forget her nursing child, that she should have no compassion on the son of her womb? Even these may forget, yet I will not forget you.
Isa 49:16 Behold, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands; your walls are continually before me.

The Christ is the one and only Eternal God who is Holy Spirit and when the Holy Spirit clothed himself with the garments of his servants as the Emmanuel, then his own blood became the eternal atonement for sins, once and for all. The word perpetual sin offering that covers sins.

So who bleed on the cross at Calvary?

The Eternal Holy Spirit bleed for all of his creation.

Acts 20:28

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

The Holy Spirit that wore the cloth as the man Jesus of Nazareth bleed for all of humanity.

The Holy Spirit took on the form of a man and that is why Jesus said unless I go, then He who is the Holy Spirit that was clothed as the man Jesus of Nazareth could not come. It necessitated Christ's absence as far as his post resurrection form was concerned, in order for that same Holy Spirit to come on Pentecost and not be restrained to one being in the time and space continuum, but be omnipresent in the hearts of all believers.

Edited September 13, 2014 by Defending the Name

Defending the Name · September 13, 2014

Again, thanks for all the responses. I've tried a few of the above responses on my atheist friends, but usually get the same kind of response... "So, God sacrificed Himself to Himself because he created us imperfect and is punishing Himself because we are imperfect...but he didn't really sacrifice anything because His Son (Himself) is still with Him..." I guess you need to believe in the first place to make the story plausible. Again, I appreciate all of your efforts,

Your problem is that you are not understanding what the word "God/god" means.
Jesus didn't raise himself from the dead..... Jesus and the Father are two separate beings. We have to have access to both to have access to either so we consider them as one God. Holy Spirit is the third in the trio, and without any one of the three you can't have access to any of them so they are a trinity that is our God.
No offense meant whatsoever, but my atheist friends would laugh me out of the conversation with that answer. How can a father and son both exist eternally, not to mention the holy spirit? If they are all all omnipotent and omnipresent why must you speak to any particular one? Seems we are making God in our image.

Because Jesus wasn't the son until he was born into human flesh. He and the Father existed together until that time...... Jesus gave up being in the form of god when he was born. He is man, but not just man for unlike us his spirit existed before he was born. And because he was sinless he had direct moment by moment access directly with the Father. We can only do that through the Holy Spirit today while still in these fleshly bodies. When Jesus died he died physically just like you and I would..... and like you and I his spirit went elsewhere. The Bible says he preached to the fallen angels during the time he was in the grave so he went to the place where the ultimate evil is locked up... why.... because he took on the whole sin weight of the world.
The Father raised him from the dead and put him in charge of everything.... still the interface for us to the other two is the Holy Spirit.
I can't tell you why, it's just the way it is. I also can't explain how the relationship with the Godhead happens, and I don't think anyone can. It's something that you have to experience. If you've never had one, you couldn't possibly understand and if you have you don't have to ask. it's beyond me to put it into words.

Jesus was always the Son from the moment he entered his own creation as the Angel of Yahweh's presence.

Daniel 7:13

"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.

The clouds of heaven represent the angelic hosts of heaven that he dwells with. Hebrews versus below declares the Son of Man to be the leading angel, as he is designated Devine authority amongst the hosts of heaven,who were told to worship him. These versus are clearly pre-incarnation versus before the Christ was incarnated into the world as Jesus of Nazareth. It is clear that this Holy Angel stands out amongst the created angelic hosts because he is worshipped and he is also designated to have complete authority and is called the Almighty God himself. This Almighty Angel is clothed with the garments of the angelic hosts of heaven that he created.

Hebrews 1:5-8

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

This Holy Angel stood out amongst his created hosts of heaven and is designated the name Morning Star and in the Isaiah versus below it declares that Lucifer is created by the Morning Star, which further emphasises that this Angel is God the Holy Spirit taking on the form of an angel to be amongst his white cloud (angelic hosts).

Isaiah 14:12

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

So the Son of Man was designated to the Christ before be even entered the earthly realm. Jesus in John's verse below clearly indicates that he came and originated from above and that he is the very Holy Angel who entered Abraham's tent, then dined with him and made an oath by himself because there was no one besides him to make the oath, for he is the ultimate authority and supreme commander of all the hosts of heaven (Michael the morning star).

John 8:23

23But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

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Marilyn C · September 13, 2014

Hi Jerry,

I don`t know if any one has answered this but here are my thoughts, - It is wonderful that you would endure torture & even die for your girls. However would you be tortured & die for your enemies? Would you endure it if you could call on 12 legions of angels?

I think that is where the `rubber hits the road` as it were. We would suffer for our loved ones but not that person killing & torturing our loved ones.

Jesus did.

kwikphilly · September 13, 2014

Blessings Jerry

I was looking back on some of these posts & your sincere replies,,,,,I just want you to know ,no mater what your label(for now)that I truly believe you are seeking,if that is any consolation? But I do Jerry & right now you are the most important person here because you are seeking God & you need Gods Grace to be Saved,through Jesus & have not yet arrived at the foot of the cross.Please Jerry,no matter what anyone says to you do not let it discourage you from posting & asking questions.

Christ in me loves you Jerry,He is in many of us here & just waiting to embrace you.....It is between you & Him,nobodys opinions matter,only He knows your heart...................stick with it Jerry,those of us that love you are happy to be here for you God Bless you!

With love-in Christ,Kwik

I love Marylin's thoughts she shared,,,,,,,good stuff,huh Jerry!!!! That's our Jesus!

other one · September 13, 2014

Again, thanks for all the responses. I've tried a few of the above responses on my atheist friends, but usually get the same kind of response... "So, God sacrificed Himself to Himself because he created us imperfect and is punishing Himself because we are imperfect...but he didn't really sacrifice anything because His Son (Himself) is still with Him..." I guess you need to believe in the first place to make the story plausible. Again, I appreciate all of your efforts,

Your problem is that you are not understanding what the word "God/god" means.
Jesus didn't raise himself from the dead..... Jesus and the Father are two separate beings. We have to have access to both to have access to either so we consider them as one God. Holy Spirit is the third in the trio, and without any one of the three you can't have access to any of them so they are a trinity that is our God.
No offense meant whatsoever, but my atheist friends would laugh me out of the conversation with that answer. How can a father and son both exist eternally, not to mention the holy spirit? If they are all all omnipotent and omnipresent why must you speak to any particular one? Seems we are making God in our image.

Because Jesus wasn't the son until he was born into human flesh. He and the Father existed together until that time...... Jesus gave up being in the form of god when he was born. He is man, but not just man for unlike us his spirit existed before he was born. And because he was sinless he had direct moment by moment access directly with the Father. We can only do that through the Holy Spirit today while still in these fleshly bodies. When Jesus died he died physically just like you and I would..... and like you and I his spirit went elsewhere. The Bible says he preached to the fallen angels during the time he was in the grave so he went to the place where the ultimate evil is locked up... why.... because he took on the whole sin weight of the world.
The Father raised him from the dead and put him in charge of everything.... still the interface for us to the other two is the Holy Spirit.
I can't tell you why, it's just the way it is. I also can't explain how the relationship with the Godhead happens, and I don't think anyone can. It's something that you have to experience. If you've never had one, you couldn't possibly understand and if you have you don't have to ask. it's beyond me to put it into words.
Jesus was always the Son from the moment he entered his own creation as the Angel of Yahweh's presence.
Daniel 7:13
"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.
The clouds of heaven represent the angelic hosts of heaven that he dwells with. Hebrews versus below declares the Son of Man to be the leading angel, as he is designated Devine authority amongst the hosts of heaven,who were told to worship him. These versus are clearly pre-incarnation versus before the Christ was incarnated into the world as Jesus of Nazareth. It is clear that this Holy Angel stands out amongst the created angelic hosts because he is worshipped and he is also designated to have complete authority and is called the Almighty God himself. This Almighty Angel is clothed with the garments of the angelic hosts of heaven that he created.
Hebrews 1:5-8
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
This Holy Angel stood out amongst his created hosts of heaven and is designated the name Morning Star and in the Isaiah versus below it declares that Lucifer is created by the Morning Star, which further emphasises that this Angel is God the Holy Spirit taking on the form of an angel to be amongst his white cloud (angelic hosts).
Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
So the Son of Man was designated to the Christ before be even entered the earthly realm. Jesus in John's verse below clearly indicates that he came and originated from above and that he is the very Holy Angel who entered Abraham's tent, then dined with him and made an oath by himself because there was no one besides him to make the oath, for he is the ultimate authority and supreme commander of all the hosts of heaven (Michael the morning star).
John 8:23
23But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

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Harikrish · September 21, 2014

I don't think Jesus sacrificed anything. He had no choice in the matter. God offered Jesus as a human sacrifice, as the sacrificial lamb. It was not Jesus's decision.

Matthew 26:1-2

1 When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples,

2 "As you know, the Passover is two days away--and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified

Jesus even protested his approaching demise.

Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

And when the moment happened and he was made the sacrificial lamb he protested even louder.

Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").

I am Harikrish a Vedantist raised in the Vedantic tradition. I was born a Hindu. I am here to learn and share what is revealed to me by reading the word of God as found in the Bible.

But we know what Jesus got in return for being the sacrificial lamb.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

What was he before God offered him as human sacrifice for the sins of all, so those who believed that will be forgiven. Jesus was made lower than the angels.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.