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A Question About Matthew 7:1-5

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JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.

2  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:  and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

Here is my question.  It is fairly common at Worthy Boards for someone to have a question about the right or wrong of something.  It can be anything from keeping the Sabbath, to gay marriage.  Given what it says in this scripture, is anyone qualified to say anything is wrong?  Is there anyone here that is living in absolute perfection?  Is it judging to give an opinion?  How about to say something is sinful?  Lets suppose the topic is something like gay marriage.  If I am not walking in absolute perfection, do I have to come to a place of absolute perfection to tell someone gay marriage is sinful?  How about fornication?  How about anything?  The reason I am asking, is I have seen a disturbing trend where anytime a question is asked about the sinfulness of something, if a person doesn't agree with your view the thing is sinful, they bring up this scripture.  If I took that serious, I would have to come to the conclusion that nobody can ever call anything sinful.  What do you think? 

 

 

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Here is how some people read that passage:  

 

JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.

2  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:  and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

That is the problem.  They don't really the whole thing.  Jesus is speaking against hypocritical judgment.  He is not saying we don't have the right to expose sin that we see taking place in the world.  This is the passage that people bring up to shield themselves from having to be faced with the sin in their lives.

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Since scripture has confined all under sin, we are not qualified to indulge in personal moral disgust at the actions of others. But we have every right to inform people about those things which our Creator, from His perfect, infinite perspective, has designated to be sin.

 

Psalm 51

51 Have mercy upon me, O God,
According to Your lovingkindness;
According to the multitude of Your tender mercies,
Blot out my transgressions.
Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,
And cleanse me from my sin.

For I acknowledge my transgressions,
And my sin is always before me.
Against You, You only, have I sinned,
And done this evil in Your sight—
That You may be found just when You speak,
And blameless when You judge.

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Since scripture has confined all under sin, we are not qualified to indulge in personal moral disgust at the actions of others.

I am allowed to hate what God hates.  I think we should have a personal moral hatred of sin in.  I am personally disgusted by child abuse/molestation, homosexuality, adultery, lying, etc.   I don't see that Scripture teaches that we cannot be morally disgusted at sin.

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Blessings

 

King James Bible
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.                                                            Romans 12:9

 

King James Bible
Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.              Psalm 97:10

        I agree with my Brother Shiloh & so it is Written, God approves        I agree with my Brother Butero & having the Heart & Mind of Christ,we know what is sin.......................because our own flesh wars with our spirit does not mean we cannot call a sin a sin.................we are striving towards perfection,must we be perfect to keep each other  from falling?Just as Shiloh has so eloquently put it.......the Scripture is speaking of hypocritical judgement,but not only do we have the right to expose sin,we have a responsibility to......Glory to God!

                                                                                                                                        With love-in Christ,Kwik

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I think that one can correct and not be offensive or accusatory and hurtful. It depends on how one words the correction. We do not know that person's mental or emotional state. Speaking in love in love the love that Jesus showed us.

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I don't know if you can always correct without offending.  If a person is engaging in a sin, and they just happen to come upon a thread asking if the thing they are doing is wrong, a simple yes answer might be offensive to them, even if scripture is given to back it up.  It really all depends. 

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JUDGE not, that ye be not judged.

2  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:  and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3  And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4  Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5  Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

Here is my question.  It is fairly common at Worthy Boards for someone to have a question about the right or wrong of something.  It can be anything from keeping the Sabbath, to gay marriage.  Given what it says in this scripture, is anyone qualified to say anything is wrong?  Is there anyone here that is living in absolute perfection?  Is it judging to give an opinion?  How about to say something is sinful?  Lets suppose the topic is something like gay marriage.  If I am not walking in absolute perfection, do I have to come to a place of absolute perfection to tell someone gay marriage is sinful?  How about fornication?  How about anything?  The reason I am asking, is I have seen a disturbing trend where anytime a question is asked about the sinfulness of something, if a person doesn't agree with your view the thing is sinful, they bring up this scripture.  If I took that serious, I would have to come to the conclusion that nobody can ever call anything sinful.  What do you think? 

I have found I do not view the world as many others do. The bible says this

11 Tim 3

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

I have been before a judge on several occasions and what followed his judgement of the situation was a Sentence of punishment.

Reproof is simply the pointing out of something it cares no sentence to jail or hard labor

or anything of the kind.

One being judged always gets some sort of sentence after the judgement.

One being reproofed never gets a sentence after reproofed the only thing they got was

something was pointed out to them.

I think many confuse the two.

And I could be all wrong in my definitions.

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IMO, there is a huge difference between judging someone

and giving an opinion or attempting to teach spiritual truth

(either through a new teaching or correcting someone's error).

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Psalms 51:10-13 - Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.  Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.  Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.  Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

 

Pointing out or saying something is a sin is not judging someone. The church has been given the message and ministry of reconciliation (restoration).

 

2 Corinthians 5:18-21 - And all things are of God, who hath reconciled  us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given unto us the ministry of reconciliation.  To wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto hiself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation (restoration).  Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us:  we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.  For he hath made him to be a sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

Galatians 6:1-6 - Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.  Bear ye one anothers burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.  For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.  But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.  For every man shall bear his own burden.  Let him that is taught in the word communicate untohim that teacheth in all good things.

 

The church has to hold to the true faith.

 

Jude vs. 20-23 - But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,  Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.  And of some have compassion, making a difference:  And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

 

James 5:19-20Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

 

Standing and speaking out against sin is the job and business of the church as we have the ministry and message of reconciliation.  We are to persuade others to be reconciled to God whether in a lifestyle of sin or a fellow saint who has been overtaken by sin.  If our gospel is hid then it is hid to those who are lost.

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